Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35985203)

The ballot was explicit. Leave or stay.

Do you really think that Brexiters did not realise that leaving the EU meant coming out of the single market (customs union)? Do you believe that people didn't not realise that controlling immigration worked both ways? Did the supposed lack of information persuade you to vote remain?

Of course not. Brexiters knew what they were doing. To hear all this nonsense, it is clear that many remainers remain completely confused.

Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35985203)

The ballot was explicit. Leave or stay.

Do you really think that Brexiters did not realise that leaving the EU meant coming out of the single market (customs union)? Do you believe that people didn't not realise that controlling immigration worked both ways? Did the supposed lack of information persuade you to vote remain?

Of course not. Brexiters knew what they were doing. To hear all this nonsense, it is clear that many remainers remain completely confused.

Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35985203)

The ballot was explicit. Leave or stay.

Do you really think that Brexiters did not realise that leaving the EU meant coming out of the single market (customs union)? Do you believe that people didn't not realise that controlling immigration worked both ways? Did the supposed lack of information persuade you to vote remain?

Of course not. Brexiters knew what they were doing. To hear all this nonsense, it is clear that many remainers remain completely confused.

Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees (Post 35985202)

1) Wrong
In 2014, an investigation by the respected independent US non-profit organisation, Consumer Reports, found that 97 per cent of 300 chicken breasts it tested from across America contained harmful bacteria including Salmonella, campylobacter and E.Coli.

A 2013 study by the Centers for Disease Prevention and Control - the US federal health protection agency - analysed outbreaks of foodborne illnesses between 1998 and 2008 and found that “more deaths were attributable to poultry than any other commodity”.

More than half of the samples in the Consumer Reports study contained faecal contaminants and a similar amount harboured at least one bacterium that was resistant to three or more commonly prescribed antibiotics.

A 2016 study by the UK’s Food Standards Agency found comparable levels of contamination in this country - half of chicken samples taken from retailers were infected with multi antibiotic-resistant campylobacter.

It's the same, without the addition of chlorine.

as part of the wider issue ;


Chlorine-washed chickens are symbolic of much wider concerns around animal welfare and environmental standards that could become a crucial negotiating point in any post-Brexit trade deal between the US and the UK. That trade deal itself is seen as of vital importance to the UK’s future outside the EU.

Other practices such as implanting cattle with man-made growth hormones and selling unlabelled genetically modified foods are also allowed in the US but banned in the UK. These problems are also likely to be on the agenda.

Originally Posted by Mythica (Post 35985205)

But it doesn't does it as we've found out. If leave meant leave then we wouldn't be having this conversation. There is no nonsense. Get in the real world and realise that things just aren't as simple as you are making out.

Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 35985210)

How many of the deaths were down to incomplete cooking?

Or just contact with live chickens?
2018

Originally Posted by jfman (Post 35985186)

You’ve literally described all forms of taxation.

Originally Posted by Mythica (Post 35985207)

No. You knew what you were doing. You don't speak for everyone. People from both sides have changed their opinion.

Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35985212)

They all said we'd never get a deal with the EU. Turns out, the EU was the least of our problems. It's the Remain-led House of Commons that is throwing up all the nonsense. The only real issue is the backstop, as raised by the ERG, which has been hyped up out of all proportion in my opinion.

However, even if we can satisfy the objection to the backstop, the remainers will continue to claim that the end of the world is nigh.

You might like to claim that it's all so complicated, but it is not. Listen to Liam Fox on last Sunday's Andrew Marr. That should calm your troubled brow.

Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35985212)

They all said we'd never get a deal with the EU. Turns out, the EU was the least of our problems. It's the Remain-led House of Commons that is throwing up all the nonsense. The only real issue is the backstop, as raised by the ERG, which has been hyped up out of all proportion in my opinion.

However, even if we can satisfy the objection to the backstop, the remainers will continue to claim that the end of the world is nigh.

You might like to claim that it's all so complicated, but it is not. Listen to Liam Fox on last Sunday's Andrew Marr. That should calm your troubled brow.

Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35985216)

A minority have changed their minds. So what? People are fickle and change their minds all the time.

However, to suggest that people who wanted to leave did not understand what that meant is so condescending and I'm sick of it. I presume you knew what 'remain' meant.

Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35985216)

A minority have changed their minds. So what? People are fickle and change their minds all the time.

However, to suggest that people who wanted to leave did not understand what that meant is so condescending and I'm sick of it. I presume you knew what 'remain' meant.

Originally Posted by Mythica (Post 35985220)

No. You said Brexiters knew what they were doing. You don't speak for 17+ million people, you speak for yourself and yourself only. I didn't really know what anything fully meant. I made a decision based on what I thought was better for myself and the country. But I don't pretend to speak for millions of people.

Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35985212)

They all said we'd never get a deal with the EU. Turns out, the EU was the least of our problems. It's the Remain-led House of Commons that is throwing up all the nonsense. The only real issue is the backstop, as raised by the ERG, which has been hyped up out of all proportion in my opinion.

However, even if we can satisfy the objection to the backstop, the remainers will continue to claim that the end of the world is nigh.

You might like to claim that it's all so complicated, but it is not. Listen to Liam Fox on last Sunday's Andrew Marr. That should calm your troubled brow.

Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35985224)

He speaks for me and everyone else I know who voted to leave the EU - we want to be out totally from that corrupted con job union. That's what leaving meant to me and us. So yes, in essence, he speaks for me and everyone associated to me, who also voted to leave the con job union. He does not just speak for himself.

But surely this logic of yours, also applies to Remainers then, who constantly tell us Brexiteers we got it wrong - that we voted the wrong way, no we did not get it wrong, there is nothing to get wrong, it is called democracy and we voted to leave the EU.

This is a tiresome, old pathetic argument and it needs to be laid to rest.

Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 35985225)

Total crap!

You said:



Your best buddy Liam Fox said:

Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 35985226)

He speaks for me and every one i know who also voted leave.