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1andrew1 03-03-2019 13:23
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35985080)
Chris Grayling takes the biscuit for sheer incompetence when it comes to gaffes by a cabinet minister.
If he was in charge of Brexit negotiations, we'd have probably joined the Euro and given up our rebate! :D

RichardCoulter 03-03-2019 14:07
Re: Brexit
 
I think it would have been better for us to have used professional negotiators rather than politicians.

Companies use them all the time to get the best desl for themselves, yet we are using untrained people for something as important as this.

jfman 03-03-2019 14:14
Re: Brexit
 
I think it’d have been better if we’d a clear idea of what our negotiating objectives were from the start. Single market, customs union, Canada, Norway all got mentions along the way.

Theresa May has negotiated something, and crashing out on WTO terms was never considered likely prior to about six months ago when the penny dropped the EU had a coherent position and we didn’t.

Sephiroth 03-03-2019 14:47
Re: Brexit
 
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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35985064)
They are the front people for the negotiations - all they negotiate still has to be agreed by the governments of the 27 countries.

Sounds fairly democratic to me...




So does delivering the Referendum result.

papa smurf 03-03-2019 14:58
Re: Brexit
 
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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 35985091)
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So does delivering the Referendum result.
That's the wrong type of democracy for some.

mrmistoffelees 03-03-2019 15:16
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jfman (Post 35985086)
I think it’d have been better if we’d a clear idea of what our negotiating objectives were from the start. Single market, customs union, Canada, Norway all got mentions along the way.

Theresa May has negotiated something, and crashing out on WTO terms was never considered likely prior to about six months ago when the penny dropped the EU had a coherent position and we didn’t.
Anybody who thought that the UK would be more coherent than the EU needs to give their head a shake

jfman 03-03-2019 15:53
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees (Post 35985095)
Anybody who thought that the UK would be more coherent than the EU needs to give their head a shake
Andrew Neil for one, who on the night of the referendum told us how Europe has never been more divided between north and south, east and west.

Hugh 03-03-2019 17:50
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 35985091)
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So does delivering the Referendum result.
The non-binding one, because of the sovereignty of Parliament, referendums cannot be legally binding in the UK, and are therefore advisory*?

*from the European Union Referendum Act 2015

Sephiroth 03-03-2019 18:05
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35985106)
The non-binding one, because of the sovereignty of Parliament, referendums cannot be legally binding in the UK, and are therefore advisory*?

*from the European Union Referendum Act 2015
Don't be silly. The sub-topic here is the matter of democracy in relation to honouring the Referendum result. You Remainers hang your hat on dishonorable tenets such as the advisory nature of a referendum. But then the Leave result was put into law by Parliament by a huge majority.

The dishonorable MPs that are trying to thwart our departure from the EU are a disgrace to democracy.

Dave42 03-03-2019 19:11
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 35985107)
Don't be silly. The sub-topic here is the matter of democracy in relation to honouring the Referendum result. You Remainers hang your hat on dishonorable tenets such as the advisory nature of a referendum. But then the Leave result was put into law by Parliament by a huge majority.

The dishonorable MPs that are trying to thwart our departure from the EU are a disgrace to democracy.
the law that will change soon as parliament will vote down a no deal Brexit

TheDaddy 03-03-2019 19:25
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 35985107)
Don't be silly. The sub-topic here is the matter of democracy in relation to honouring the Referendum result. You Remainers hang your hat on dishonorable tenets such as the advisory nature of a referendum. But then the Leave result was put into law by Parliament by a huge majority.

The dishonorable MPs that are trying to thwart our departure from the EU are a disgrace to democracy.
And a hell of a lot of leavers hung their hats on the advisory nature of a certain bus adverts claims, that was pretty dishonourable to

Carth 03-03-2019 20:52
Re: Brexit
 
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Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 35985111)
And a hell of a lot of leavers hung their hats on the advisory nature of a certain bus adverts claims, that was pretty dishonourable to
In my circle of acquaintances, I don't actually know of any who believed that stuff. I have read stories on various internet platforms about some who did though . . I've also read about people who believe the Earth is flat, believe those from Norfolk have 6 fingers, and those who are absolutely 100% convinced that Aliens move among us :p:

Chris 03-03-2019 21:51
Re: Brexit
 
The only people I ever hear complaining about the bus are people who voted remain anyway. :scratch:

TheDaddy 03-03-2019 21:53
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Carth (Post 35985119)
In my circle of acquaintances, I don't actually know of any who believed that stuff. I have read stories on various internet platforms about some who did though . . I've also read about people who believe the Earth is flat, believe those from Norfolk have 6 fingers, and those who are absolutely 100% convinced that Aliens move among us :p:
The person that paid for the advert said it made the difference and 2 out of 3 doctors and nurses believed it, how nice it must be to hang out in such high brow company where you're smarter than most doctors

Hom3r 03-03-2019 21:57
Re: Brexit
 
I predict trouble outside parliment the the trecherous MPs trying to block the legal will of the people, manage to block Brexit.

I the predict the end of Labour anf the Tories in their current form, and loads of MPs out of work.

I for one will spoil every vote after, and it will be a meaning less vote.

Please don't give me any it was only advisary crap (I wish I could say stronger)


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