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Phunkenstein 11-08-2020 18:13
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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36046335)
None of these look like particularly efficient mechanisms of recouping £4.5bn and making profit over and above that. I assume their calculators weren't working before they decided to not make a substantive bid for the rights in 2018.



Easy to give something away when you got the rights for peanuts.



The mistake is believing that Amazon are some kind of benign philanthropic organisation out there to give away free football, or that even if they were the UK would be their main target market and not the US, Germany or other major markets. Anyone spending £4.5bn on football rights is going to recoup the majority of that £4.5bn through selling a premium sports subscription.

Amazon already have 6.7m Prime subscribers - the low hanging fruit - and this number would need to be substantially driven up as a 'loss leader' to recoup the cost of the rights.
Exactly!

Amazon’s global content budget for 2020 is estimated to be $7 Billion... so they will then go and spend another $2 Billon or so per year on top? For one territory alone? And give it away in the Prime Subscription and bank on selling some merchandise as a way of recouping? Plus not forgetting that selling highlights and free to air matches would likely be for the EPL to sell and not Amazon?

I’ll never say never but let’s not be silly that somehow they would then give that kind of investment away on the possibility - the possibility - of an uptick of new Prime subs and a few football tops! 😂😂 You spend that kind of money on football because you intend to make it back!

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Also worth reading this to get an idea about Amazon’s approach...

https://www.sportsbusinessdaily.com/...rts-media.aspx

jfman 11-08-2020 18:57
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That’s an excellent read Phunk. Much higher quality than the usual blogs we get round here.

OLD BOY 11-08-2020 19:43
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Originally Posted by Raider999 (Post 36046332)
You possibly can, but as you cannot record from NowTV it would be useless for my needs (and a lot of others I am sure)

Streaming getting involved in Sports Rights is bound to increase the cost to the user, as sky/BT will try to retain their shares whilst streamers will have to bid big to capture anything apart from low-hanging fruit.

In the medium term (say 10-15 years) customers will need to pay more for what they currently get as linear tv/streaming battle it out

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You really are talking through your ar*e - sky and BT both paused my sports subs for over 3 months as there were no EPL matches on.

Despite taking no money, the sports channels remained available so I was able to view past recordings and also watch live matches as they became available without any payment.

Additionally, when EPL restarted, I was treated to over 20 extra EPL matches on Sky and 15 or so extra on BT - at no extra cost.

Hardly fits with your assessment of Sky!
They didn't do this through the goodness of their hearts! They simpy wanted to avoid people cancelling their subscriptions.

We all know why Sky and BT showed the free matches, and that was a one-off decision related to the Coronavirus emergency.

jfman 11-08-2020 19:52
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36046353)
They didn't do this through the goodness of their hearts! They simpy wanted to avoid people cancelling their subscriptions.

We all know why Sky and BT showed the free matches, and that was a one-off decision related to the Coronavirus emergency.
Nor indeed, do Amazon do it through the goodness of their hearts. They want to sign people up to Prime. It’s a business.

You’re introducing emotive terminology, baselessly, to portray the status quo as bad and streaming as good. I don’t really understand why you relentlessly pursue this agenda on the forum. I’m sure I’m not the only one who finds it somewhat tiresome.

Sky charge “sky high” prices and could reduce the price to make it more accessible. Amazon, of course, will. Baseless nonsense, and I’m sure a free market capitalist such as yourself must see that such a theory is not on solid economic grounds.

Unless of course you don’t think the pay-tv market has sufficient competition and would support Government intervention and further regulation. While I’d welcome it, I don’t see how that benefits the consumer to tie one hand behind the back of Sky/BT to hand the rights to Amazon on the cheap. Indeed, it’d be bad for the League, quality of their product, and all that jazz.

Raider999 11-08-2020 21:05
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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36046355)
Nor indeed, do Amazon do it through the goodness of their hearts. They want to sign people up to Prime. It’s a business.

You’re introducing emotive terminology, baselessly, to portray the status quo as bad and streaming as good. I don’t really understand why you relentlessly pursue this agenda on the forum. I’m sure I’m not the only one who finds it somewhat tiresome.

Sky charge “sky high” prices and could reduce the price to make it more accessible. Amazon, of course, will. Baseless nonsense, and I’m sure a free market capitalist such as yourself must see that such a theory is not on solid economic grounds.

Unless of course you don’t think the pay-tv market has sufficient competition and would support Government intervention and further regulation. While I’d welcome it, I don’t see how that benefits the consumer to tie one hand behind the back of Sky/BT to hand the rights to Amazon on the cheap. Indeed, it’d be bad for the League, quality of their product, and all that jazz.
I quite agree.

Additionally, several times in the past couple of years I have purchased something through Amazon. Every time I have declined the Prime option, but every time apart from the most recent I have very quickly received an e-mail welcoming me to prime.

Several points,

1) if I purchased enough off the internet I might take prime
2) are they really allowed to retain my card details and sign me up using that card?
3) I definitely haven't given them permission to do so
4) they obviously do this because the last time I bought something through them, they didn't even ask for my card details!
5) how do I get them to remove my card details?

Chris James 13-08-2020 10:44
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Originally Posted by Raider999 (Post 36046359)
I quite agree.

Additionally, several times in the past couple of years I have purchased something through Amazon. Every time I have declined the Prime option, but every time apart from the most recent I have very quickly received an e-mail welcoming me to prime.

Several points,

1) if I purchased enough off the internet I might take prime
2) are they really allowed to retain my card details and sign me up using that card?
3) I definitely haven't given them permission to do so
4) they obviously do this because the last time I bought something through them, they didn't even ask for my card details!
5) how do I get them to remove my card details?
1) Log on
2) Open "Your account"
3) Scroll down to the last box - "Membership & Subscriptions"
4) Open the "Membership and Subscriptions" option
5) This will show whether your membership is 'active'
6) Toggle 'membership options' for options
7) If active, will show membership expiry date
8) Click 'Advanced controls' for further options re credit cards

Remember you can cancel subscription at any time and still retain existing benefits. I want mine for tennis but every time I renew for a year I immediately cancel it so it does not auto renew. I think the only way you can remove your credit card is to close your account rather than have it in limbo. When you open an account they ask for a credit card so those details are retained so you cannot have an account without credit card details being held. Unlikely but if the credit card is about to expire you could choose not to update the expiry details to get round it!

Legendkiller2k 13-08-2020 13:18
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Originally Posted by Chris James (Post 36046486)
1) Log on
2) Open "Your account"
3) Scroll down to the last box - "Membership & Subscriptions"
4) Open the "Membership and Subscriptions" option
5) This will show whether your membership is 'active'
6) Toggle 'membership options' for options
7) If active, will show membership expiry date
8) Click 'Advanced controls' for further options re credit cards

Remember you can cancel subscription at any time and still retain existing benefits. I want mine for tennis but every time I renew for a year I immediately cancel it so it does not auto renew. I think the only way you can remove your credit card is to close your account rather than have it in limbo. When you open an account they ask for a credit card so those details are retained so you cannot have an account without credit card details being held. Unlikely but if the credit card is about to expire you could choose not to update the expiry details to get round it!
Another option is use a pre paid card with Amazon only top it up as you need too aka renewing prime or purchasing from Amazon.

Raider999 13-08-2020 14:42
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Originally Posted by Legendkiller2k (Post 36046506)
Another option is use a pre paid card with Amazon only top it up as you need too aka renewing prime or purchasing from Amazon.
Sounds like a good option, I will investigate thanks - rarely use Amazon (or buy anything online to be fair) so that could be a good option.

Legendkiller2k 13-08-2020 15:30
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Originally Posted by Raider999 (Post 36046509)
Sounds like a good option, I will investigate thanks - rarely use Amazon (or buy anything online to be fair) so that could be a good option.
I use the cashplus card for online purchases, it's basically mastercard but pre paid.

Chris James 13-08-2020 17:09
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Originally Posted by Legendkiller2k (Post 36046506)
Another option is use a pre paid card with Amazon only top it up as you need too aka renewing prime or purchasing from Amazon.
Even with that I think you need to supply credit card details at the start of registration even if you don't use it for purchases (from what I can remember when I joined eons ago) so they will still store Raider999's details. As a footnote (so Raider999 has a right to be concerned) an Amazon purchase was made with my Credit Card for around £35 a couple of months ago which Amex immediately picked up as a suspected fraud which meant I had to be sent a new card. How that was pursued from their end I have no idea but it was an annoyance.

jfman 16-08-2020 22:40
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https://www.theguardian.com/world/li...08040291310214

Interesting snippet in Amazon being investigated for price controls in Germany is that it is the second largest market to Amazon behind the United States.

Those Bundesliga clubs and indeed all citizens of the Federal Republic, must be salivating at the thought of the national game being bought up for billions and given away free so Amazon can sell some kits and other tat. They’ll remember that first season like the year they broke down the Wall.

Richardr 17-08-2020 09:56
Re: Netflix/Streaming Services
 
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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36046808)
https://www.theguardian.com/world/li...08040291310214

Interesting snippet in Amazon being investigated for price controls in Germany is that it is the second largest market to Amazon behind the United States.

Those Bundesliga clubs and indeed all citizens of the Federal Republic, must be salivating at the thought of the national game being bought up for billions and given away free so Amazon can sell some kits and other tat. They’ll remember that first season like the year they broke down the Wall.
Similar to an extent to the position in England, Amazon took over some rights in the previous Bundesliga deal cheaply when they weren't especially wanted (in the German case when Eurosport had bought up some games and decided to offload them).

The latest rights going forward have recently been auctioned, and Amazon have nothing going forward - Sky and DAZN have them.

German Rights News

johnathome 19-08-2020 00:35
Re: Netflix/Streaming Services
 
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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36046808)
https://www.theguardian.com/world/li...08040291310214

Interesting snippet in Amazon being investigated for price controls in Germany is that it is the second largest market to Amazon behind the United States.

Those Bundesliga clubs and indeed all citizens of the Federal Republic, must be salivating at the thought of the national game being bought up for billions and given away free so Amazon can sell some kits and other tat. They’ll remember that first season like the year they broke down the Wall.
Not sure where you get the footy connection from that link?

From what i can see Amazon blocked some retailers from charging 300 euros for a bog roll (or something like that)

jfman 19-08-2020 02:36
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Always entertained by input to this thread. I’ll just shrug my shoulders for now...

johnathome 19-08-2020 23:39
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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36047014)
Always entertained by input to this thread. I’ll just shrug my shoulders for now...
:)


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