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So you would prefer a conflicted world that is against Putin, a consistent cold atmosphere where the potential for another cold war around the corner ?

How bizarre thinking.

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Stalin was a mass murderer, idolising him is a massive red flag, and Putin is not a friend of the West. It's naive to think you can have a amicable relationship with his Government. He wants a divided West in turmoil.

At the moment people on here are relaxed on it but he doesn't like the right in America or countries. He'll back whatever causes the most chaos so come the next election you might suddenly find the Tories are the ones that suddenly have a lot of e-mails leaked, bad news spreading on Twitter etc.

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It is not naive at all because, I never said to have a amicable relationship with them. We just need to stop blaming the Russians for everything, including election losses.

Other countries interfere in other countries elections.

Now we have the same crap over here about Brexit. I say it is complete bollocks. It was ok for Obama interfere and blackmail us... it was okay for our own government to spend £9 Million on Propaganda BS as to why we should stay in the EU.

But to continue and have the response of, Putin this, Putin that, it is a conflicted response, blame the Russians for meddling, blame the Russians because it's raining. so if we are that insistent on continuing to be pissed off with them, what we do about it?

Take them on ?

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If there's evidence that the Russians interfered in votes then we shouldn't just ignore it because their manipulation was on the side we were on or the side we were against.

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I await with interest the number of votes cast by Russia.

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Sanctions, investigate anyone willingly cooperating with their interference and oppose their propaganda. We're not some poor little country powerless to defend our interests. What else would you have so do? Roll over because it's Russia?

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i think they heavily supported the lib dems thats why they got the votes they did

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To me, I get the impression that he's happy to think, roll over because the Russians backed "his side" - Brexit and Trump.
I sincerely hope I'm wrong. If correct, it's a flawed tactic as next time they could be supporting another side.

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Sanctions don't work, hasn't countless sanctions being applied proved that ?

We have no choice to roll over, unless you want a Nuclear war on your doorstep that would see the potential end of the World as we know it and as I said, Russia is not the only country who meddles in other countries elections. We need to stop blaming Russia because someones side lost an election/referendum.

Saw this posted elsewhere, sharing here:-

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It's not about your vote Mick, it's about millions of votes. Social media and fake has some impact or it wouldn't be used.

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You have a knack of getting the wrong impression, today is no different.

The Russians did not just back my side, there was postings on twitter in favor of remain, or did you choose to forget that little detail because it goes against your continuously, tedious little narrative ?

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It still won't change the result.

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It is not millions of votes at all - complete bollocks, people have a mind you know they can make their own choices up, they don't need Russia to tell them how crap the EU is, they saw that for themselves and why they voted the way they did FFS! :rolleyes:

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You've misunderstood my point and flown off a bit mate. Let me try and explain it another way.
You've stated why you voted one way or the other and then extrapolated that to millions of voters. One person is not a representative sample of the millions of people who voted.
What is more interesting is why you think we should not investigate Russian involvement in matters like the Brexit vote? I get why Alex Salmond may agree with you as he's being paid £1,000 an hour by RT. But why do you think, as Damien says, we should "roll over"?

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I'm of the same POV. Does that help? I'm sure there are millions of others too.