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It's free now, don't let Pierre skimp on the lube...

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Ohh err Mrs ! Moving the subject on ...

31st December might not be deadline. Not a surprise as none of the other 'deadlines' have been since the one in October. No deal is not an option for either side.
https://www.independent.co.uk/indepe...-b1777180.html

They might have to change the meaning of the word deadline in the dictionary....

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Oi! I was being misquoted, there's a big difference between not happy and hate.

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The only deadline in Brexit negotiations is a phone line that's not working. :D

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Apparantley Boris and Ursula have a hotline. The latest is thats she's turned down his offer of a few more fish.

She's also rebuffed his offer of a second date. She wasn't impressed at the first. His shirt wasn't tucked in and his hair a mess... Plus he's had poor Tinder feedback.

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We can but hope that she falls under his spell like many others. A few words of Latin tend to help.

Meanwhile, will BoJo listen to the NHS Chiefs?

https://www.theguardian.com/society/...ion-by-a-month

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More like "semper in excreta loquentes"... ;)

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'Semper In Excretia Sumus, Solim Profundum Variat';)

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Patiently waits for 'Life of Brian' stuff to get posted . . .

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As for you, kind of, I am sure, I will

??

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I guess there isn't much going on with Brexit at the moment. :D :D

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Hard to say since we have been locked out of the EU;)

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Luckily, because of the EU’s Freedom of Movement rules (which we are entitled to during the Transition period), France had to let us back in... ;)

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Nothing to do with EU freedom of movement. Ant state can close their borders as long as it is exceptional and proportionate. Hungary, Denmark and Finland have closed their borders along with Norway as part of Schengen

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From the EU Commission (posted in the Coronavirus thread yesterday)

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/show...8#post36063308

https://ec.europa.eu/commission/pres.../en/ip_20_2520

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FT says a trade deal could be signed before Christmas with good progress being made,

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Done Deal: BREAKING: No 10 source: ‘The deal is done’.

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About time ! No deal was a lose/lose situation.

The Torygraph readers will be pleased ;)

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BREAKING: A Deal is not FINALISED. Frost and EU negotiation counterparts are still talking, nothing is signed or sealed. Laura Kuenssberg, BBC.

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They've got to break it to you slowly Mick. Presentation is everything ;)

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It is not finalised. Nothing is signed or sealed. Crucially, the 27 member states have not seen the legal text, which is thousands of pages. Nothing is agreed, until everything is agreed. Stop posting Fake News.

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Recommendations only though, not binding. Member states control their own borders;

From here - https://www.consilium.europa.eu/en/p...nd-transport/#

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Oh, I know... :D

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BREAKING: Prime Minister Boris Johnson to make Statement at 7pm Downing Street. Re. Brexit Negotiations.

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https://twitter.com/antoguerrera/sta...99775952318465

France helping out Boris Johnson get 'a' deal past his backbenchers here.....:rolleyes:

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TBF the French need to sell whatever this is to their own highly belligerent domestic fishing industry. The domestic presentation on both sides will be “victory!”

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'Twas always going to be Brits conceding on fishing with the aim of the EU conceding on the level playing field. Wonder if that last bit worked or is if there were key UK concessions there too?

I'm sure BoJo will go in hard on getting backbenchers to support him. Will be interesting to see what the opposition parties do.

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Sir kwer charmer will abstain;)

He'll soon need to get all those splinters out of his arse cheeks.

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Absolutely. Macron, BoJo and others will be mightily relieved but as you say, each will be claiming victory.

The UK had very few cards in the negotiations contrary to what many Brexiters would have us believe. But fishing was one of our few cards.

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Update: From BBC’s Laura Kuenssberg: Frost and Riso are still in the room in Brussels talking so forget any chance of a 7pm announcement - may or may not be done in time tonight.

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Probably arguing who gets to keep the commemorative pens.

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Rumour has it that this will be a 1000-2000 page document that needs to be reviewed by the end of the year. Good luck with asking the opposition to vote for something that you simply couldn’t review in that time. An abstention is the only option here as if there’s bad stuff it will be ‘well, you voted for it’ but it also can’t fail.

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The eu will want 80% of them and an agreement that we wont use our pens to sign deals with anyone else.

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Will be interesting to see if this is the case or not.

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Whatever it is, Farage (and a reasonable percentage of the ERG) won’t like it...

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I'm not sure I'm going to like it, we conceded our trump card early on and what ever is in this document will simply be the prelude to years of further negotiations

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Update: Joe Barnes Brussels correspondent, Daily Express: PM can say he's reclaimed control of British waters. After the transition, the UK Gov will be free to decide access. It appears EU has given way on its 'punishment clause' demand that would see Britain slapped with tariffs if EU boats lose access in future.

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BREAKING: Boris Johnson’s Cabinet has been summoned for a conference call with PM tonight.

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happy it looking certain we are getting a deal

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And a good deal. If what I’m seeing rumoured coming out of Brussels tonight.

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I think this is the sensible approach. We retain the right to decide if the EU/French can fish in our waters but we allow them not only to do so but to have a majority of the fish because we don't really care about them so much as the principle. Macron is happy because French fisherman gets to continue as normal.

It's provocative of the EU to demand or expect those rights as the point of the referendum for many was the principle of sovernity. For the EU to demand rights to U.K waters won't fly. However, the fish in the waters of the British isles aren't that important to us so it's easy for us to allow access to our waters for something in return.

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It will be a good deal for both, can’t be anything else.

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Certainly better than a no-deal as well. Question is, given it's unlikely any agreement can be filled implemented by the 1st, does the transitional period extend into the new year for a few days/weeks until the agreement is fully in place?

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surely they got to do that

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You would think so, especially if all 27 sovereign EU nations have to approve it too.

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Talk that the UK was trying to bounce the EU into a deal today.

Before a deal is agreed, a briefing to the EU Ambassadors would take place. So far, this is not happening tomorrow let alone today! So, no deal yet this side of Christmas as things stand.

Sebastian Fischer, COREPER II Spokesperson for Germany's Presidency of the Council of the EU Tweeted in response:
https://twitter.com/SFischer_EU/stat...98424455372803

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No it doesn’t. EU have made any deal provisional from January 01, 2021 to be ratified by both sides at a later date, hence why the European Parliaments deadline to ratify one was sidestepped.

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AKA status quo (sort of) until ratified by both UK and EU parliaments.

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Status Quo - What You're Proposing?

:D

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I'll reserve judgement until I've seen what concessions have been made.

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Kate McCann at Sky News says Labour will vote in favour of it.

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I got up at about 7am and put the TV on to see what's going on in the world. The BBC are expecting someone to come out of no 10 to report on the Brexit deal. They saw movement, shot back to Downing St to cover it and.........it was a fox sniffing round the door!!!

Since then they have carried on saying that an announcement is imminent, but now a source has tweeted that it could be a while. Not quite as done and dusted as was first thought...

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or
Down the dustpipe.

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Was it Liam fox;)

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No deal would have have been madness, and never an option. Welcome to reality Brexiteers. It'll be nowhere near as good as the one we had in the EU, but not the no deal catastrophe. We've only decided to cut one of our legs off, not both, very sensible too !

Wonder how he's going to sell it to the ERG, a few new years honours? He made a massive Tory donor a Lord last week, ignoring all advice not to, so these things are on offer.

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Spot on. Show loyalty, vote for the deal ERG and I will likely reward you with a seat in the Lords. But it doesn't matter to me too much as Sir Keir will support it anyway. Your call.

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Are you delirious?

The membership cost of being in a con job union, billions per year saved being out whilst maintaining a zero tariff trade agreement with our neighbours, whilst also notching up trade agreements with rest of the world, without pesky EU bureaucracy. Being in their union is not better at all.

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No Deal would have been an acceptable bargaining tactic towards a deal, had none been done by 31 December. The EU has had philosophical difficulties with this process; (unsurprising, as we thoroughly upended their ever-closer union narrative by leaving) it might have been necessary for them to see us walk before they were ready to accept the concept of the national sovereignty of a third party. Had it happened, a deal would have been done some time in 2021. No Deal as an end in itself was only ever the wet dream of a very few. You really ought to put the Grauniad down and get out a bit more.

Within the EU we had no deal at all. Brexiteers have repeatedly asserted that the price of access to the single market was too high. We now have freedom to manoeuvre, we’re not paying billions to build dual carriageways in Spain and Bulgaria, and about half a million people in this country were vaccinated against a pandemic disease while the 27 member states of the EU sat around prioritising solidarity over saving lives. I know which side of the fence I’d rather be on.

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I disagree, he should remain locked away.

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How so?

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When were desperate for one, and have to make the concessions we said we wouldn't do ? Yes he was right there.

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But premature don’t you think old chap? Unless you’ve somehow seen the text already? Because naturally there’s no way your prejudices would lead you to make such assertions without evidence.

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No deal has been the 'wet dream' of many on here, and of Torygraph readers by the sound of it. Haven't you heard ? I'm a fan of the paper, v entertaining ;)

However a deal is damage limitation and something to be welcomed. I for one can't wait for the blue passport, worth 4 years of negotiation for that.:)

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This probably answers your questions on the negative economic impact to the UK but is probably not as granular as you strive for. The trouble is, saying the economy will be X% worse off doesn't really mean much to most people so is disregarded as it's not translated into what this means in terms of schools, hospitals, jobs for their children, etc.

https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk...ings/cbp-9096/

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Having a Polish-made blue passport will help passport control to rapidly direct you away from the short EEA/EU passports queue towards the long UK passport queue. :D

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A deal is much better then a no deal as even Nigel Farage seems pleased with it...

https://news.sky.com/story/brexit-ne...close-12149804

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Unusual - most unlike Nigel to mention the War... :D

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Yes, remind me never to play the Nigel Farage drinking game again! :D

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You’re still utterly deluded. You lost and you have never accepted it.

I have always maintained we ought to get a good deal, but no deal is better than a bad deal and I would have accepted it. But it seems from what I’m seeing leaking from Brussels, we got major concessions from EU. They have caved at the 11th hour. We have compromised as well, but we’ve left their expensive con job club whilst maintaining free trade and gaining full control on being open for business to rest of world.

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Mick what characteristics does this deal have for example what a bad deal wouldn't?

I'm genuinely curious what the difference is.

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Let's see the deal. I suspect we've given more than we wanted on fish in return for better tariff-free access and EU concessions on the level playing field.

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I'm hoping it's not simply a case of the Emperor's New Clothes. Many of us saw President-elect Biden's emphatic victory in the US Presidential election as a likely pivot of US foreign policy towards Paris and Berlin away from London and a Trump administration keen to disrupt European influence on the world stage.

With no deal off the table since November do we now have a bad deal?

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Yes, fish were really our only negotiating card. Minimal economic value to concede on but huge emotional value to some European fishing nations. A good card to hold.

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The issue on fishing has always been about control. A transitional phase and the possibility of a future minimum quota for the EU has always been on the table from the UK.

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Agreed - but the sticking points were the length of the transition phase and the size of the minimum quota.

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Excellent news that a deal might be forthcoming! It will be interesting to see what happened with the level playing field stuff. I am hearing rumours that it might not be significantly different but I guess we'll see.

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Really? So when weren't the EU/French demanding sole control over UK waters?

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Bad Puns are a banning offence you know......

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The whiting’s on the wall for anyone who doesn’t take moderator comments seriously. ;)

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A load of codswallop.

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I think he's Skating on thin ice.

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Didn't you hear the no pun instruction? Do you need a herring aid?

This is neither the time nor the plaice for these puns.

Any more will be on porpoise.


PS
The EU only agreed to a deal because the didn't want to make anemone of the UK.

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It'll be a shame when the deal's signed and the dust settles - I'm sure I'm not alone when I say I've had a whale of a time reading all the arguements going round and round. I wonder where the final deal will be on the scale of good deals?

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l smell something fishy on their little dishy when the boat comes in..

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These puns are piscine me off (recycling my own puns now, a new low)

The thing with this tariff free trade on goods is that it's far better for them than us and what deals couldn't we do with the rest of the world that we are now able to do?

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We just have to decide what the pun-ishment will be for all these Brill word-plays.

Eel get back to you on this one...

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If we do net a deal then we'll have to broach the bubbly.

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Brexit deal done: Trade agreement finally struck between UK and EU


https://news.sky.com/story/brexit-de...nd-eu-12149904

happy there is a deal :)

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:hyper:

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Link

Sounds too good to be true.
You have to ask what were the EU doing by kicking up a fuss all this time.

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See what independent analysis makes of the deal. Both the UK and EU will claim victory. So long as both assume it is then all the better.

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+1