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Hugh 17-12-2018 10:42
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 35975725)
I see what your saying
If the losers of the referendum cannot accept the result there will have to be a losers vote to give them[the losers] the opportunity to have their own way, presumably because it's unfair that they are losers because they were never told they could be losers before the referendum ,but now they are losers democracy needs a tweak to turn the losers into winners.
If that’s the will of the British voters...

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35975737)
There is such a thing called controlled exit, with no deal. We save £39 Billion on day one. Like the Weatherspoons boss, Tim Martin said the other day at a Leave means Leave rally, "Whenever I wake up in the morning, and you probably think the same. Being £39 Billion better off is a great start to the day."

About 4 minutes in on his speech in this video.
If we break the terms of a previous legally binding under International Law treaty, why would anyone trust us in a new one?

https://www.businessinsider.com/brex...18-4?r=UK&IR=T [auote]

pip08456 17-12-2018 10:58
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35975739)
If that’s the will of the British voters...

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If we break the terms of a previous legally binding under International Law treaty, why would anyone trust us in a new one?

https://www.businessinsider.com/brex...18-4?r=UK&IR=T [auote]
If you actually took the time to read the article instead of just the headline it would be quite clear to you that the £39 billion payment is not legally binding at this moment in time.

papa smurf 17-12-2018 11:00
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35975739)
If that’s the will of the British voters...
It's the will of some losers not the will of the people ,most of the remain camp have accepted defeat as part of the democratic process ,it's a shame the few will not give democracy a try.

Mick 17-12-2018 11:36
Re: Brexit
 
Another personal post deleted - The next person to insult - degrade - get personal - will be added to Paul's Christmas Holiday list. Stop calling each other - stop arguing with each other - stop provoking each other. This is the absolute last warning, if some people suddenly discover why they cannot post, congratulations, you've hit Paul's list.

jfman 17-12-2018 11:57
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 35975745)
It's the will of some losers not the will of the people ,most of the remain camp have accepted defeat as part of the democratic process ,it's a shame the few will not give democracy a try.
If any of that stands up leave will win at a canter. In which case I don’t know what everyone is worried about.

Mick 17-12-2018 12:01
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jfman (Post 35975747)
If any of that stands up leave will win at a canter. In which case I don’t know what everyone is worried about.
Because, that result will ALSO not be respected by you lot and you will want a third, fourth... until you get the result you want, as will the corrupted EU, because it's exactly their Modus Operandi! :rolleyes:

Mr K 17-12-2018 12:09
Re: Brexit
 
The tide is turning, rapidly.... Even her own ministers seem to be ignoring TM now.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics...nd-referendum/
Quote:
Brexit latest news: Greg Clark refuses to rule out a second referendum as Amber Rudd says that 'nothing should be off the table'

Greg Clark has refused to rule out calling a second referendum as he backed giving MPs a series of indicative votes on Brexit in the event that Theresa May’s deal is rejected by Parliament.

The Business Secretary has become the latest Cabinet Minister to endorse calls for Parliament to express its preference of what should happen if the draft withdrawal agreement is rejected.

1andrew1 17-12-2018 12:22
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris (Post 35975712)
I think your evidence evaluation and weighing skills are operating at a sub-optimal level. ;)
So why do you think we should have another referendum then?

denphone 17-12-2018 12:29
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35975750)
The tide is turning, rapidly.... Even her own ministers seem to be ignoring TM now.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics...nd-referendum/
Personally l don't think there should be a second referendum as we have already had one but politicians are not noted for their sincere honesty but more for their repeated mendacity as we have seen in these past two years plus so nothing would surprise me at all.

Mick 17-12-2018 12:30
Re: Brexit
 
2 Attachment(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35975750)
The tide is turning, rapidly.... Even her own ministers seem to be ignoring TM now.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics...nd-referendum/
The tide is not turning at all.

I have been looking at the official Downing Street Petitions and the the map of the areas where people have signed certain Petitions.

The Petition: Of Rescinding Article 50, if Vote Leave broke election laws:

Map:

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...1&d=1545049479

The people who signed the above petitions are more than likely to be Staunch Remainers, not accepting the result of the first Referendum...

Now look at the map of the Petition of Leaving the EU without a deal on March 29th...

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...1&d=1545049619

A picture or picture(s) says a 1000 words. Just look at those deep reds in the same places as last time who heavily voted to leave!!!

People have NOT changed their minds at all. The tide is NOT changing. The Leave EU without a deal petition has had NO TV Airtime, and is nearly at 200K signatures, it's gone up over 100,000 since the weekend.

jfman 17-12-2018 12:32
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35975749)
Because, that result will ALSO not be respected by you lot and you will want a third, fourth... until you get the result you want, as will the corrupted EU, because it's exactly their Modus Operandi! :rolleyes:
All of the arguments fall after a second referendum that leave wins. Boris and his bus, Aaron Banks and his money, all ancient history.

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35975754)
The tide is not turning at all.

I have been looking at the official Downing Street Petitions and the the map of the areas where people have signed certain Petitions.

The Petition: Of Rescinding Article 50, if Vote Leave broke election laws:

Map:

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...1&d=1545049479

The people who signed the above petitions are more than likely to be Staunch Remainers, not accepting the result of the first Referendum...

Now look at the map of the Petition of Leaving the EU without a deal on March 29th...

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...1&d=1545049619

A picture or picture(s) says a 1000 words. Just look at those deep reds in the same places as last time who heavily voted to leave!!!

People have NOT changed their minds at all. The tide is NOT changing. The Leave EU without a deal petition has had NO TV Airtime, and is nearly at 200K signatures, it's gone up over 100,000 since the weekend.
Neither of those are meaningful indicators of anything at all.

Carth 17-12-2018 12:40
Re: Brexit
 
I certainly don't see a 'change of heart' in my area, what I do see though, is a growing animosity towards the Government that won't deliver the goods.

I guess it's different in other areas, but out means out here.

Mick 17-12-2018 12:41
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jfman (Post 35975755)
All of the arguments fall after a second referendum that leave wins. Boris and his bus, Aaron Banks and his money, all ancient history.

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Neither of those are meaningful indicators of anything at all.
Yes they bloody well are. :dozey:

Mr K 17-12-2018 12:45
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jfman (Post 35975755)
All of the arguments fall after a second referendum that leave wins. Boris and his bus, Aaron Banks and his money, all ancient history.

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Neither of those are meaningful indicators of anything at all.
Nice bit of GIS mapwork though ! From a professional point of view I approve :)

Interesting some dismiss petitions they don't like but single out those they do ! The 'final say' petition dwarfs them all with over a million signatures.
https://www.change.org/p/theresa-may...on-brexit-deal

jfman 17-12-2018 12:52
Re: Brexit
 
The problem with petitions is that the social media echo chambers, on issues of national important, easily create tens of thousands/hundreds of thousands of signatures.

Mick 17-12-2018 12:54
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35975760)
Nice bit of GIS mapwork though ! From a professional point of view I approve :)

Interesting some dismiss petitions they don't like but single out those they do ! The 'final say' petition dwarfs them all with over a million signatures.
https://www.change.org/p/theresa-may...on-brexit-deal
And 17.4 Million dwarfs anything else you lot can muster up.

This pissing up the wall contest you will never win - leave won - so leave we must. Lets get on with leaving and stop trying to kill democracy with endless voting to overturn the one prior to it.

LMFAO at Piers Morgans response to Staunch Remainer, Alastair Campbell the WMD spin doctor.

https://twitter.com/piersmorgan/stat...79223648591874

Alastair says:

Quote:
Originally Posted by Alastair Campbell
Yes let’s crash the economy and make the poor poorer and U.K. less relevant because Juncker ruffles hair and feathers, and let’s trust the people who have delivered this car crash to drive us over the cliff. Get a grip
Piers takes the clown down with the following response:

Quote:
Originally Posted by Piers Morgan
You assured me Saddam had WMD, that it would be a ‘disaster’ if we didn’t join the Euro, and there would be instant recession within weeks of a Leave vote. Forgive me if I don’t entirely trust Mystic Al & your latest predictions.
:clap: well said Piers, shut that lying weasel up, btw Piers is a Remainer!!!

Hugh 17-12-2018 12:54
Re: Brexit
 
2 Attachment(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35975754)
The tide is not turning at all.

I have been looking at the official Downing Street Petitions and the the map of the areas where people have signed certain Petitions.

The Petition: Of Rescinding Article 50, if Vote Leave broke election laws:

Map:

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...1&d=1545049479

The people who signed the above petitions are more than likely to be Staunch Remainers, not accepting the result of the first Referendum...

Now look at the map of the Petition of Leaving the EU without a deal on March 29th...

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...1&d=1545049619

A picture or picture(s) says a 1000 words. Just look at those deep reds in the same places as last time who heavily voted to leave!!!

People have NOT changed their minds at all. The tide is NOT changing. The Leave EU without a deal petition has had NO TV Airtime, and is nearly at 200K signatures, it's gone up over 100,000 since the weekend.
The colours are for different scales on each map - on the leave map the scales are

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...&d=1545051186p

and on the Rescind Article 50 map they are
https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...4&d=1545051186

Mick 17-12-2018 12:59
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jfman (Post 35975761)
The problem with petitions is that the social media echo chambers, on issues of national important, easily create tens of thousands/hundreds of thousands of signatures.
Which is exactly why I chose the ones I highlighted above - they are the opposite of each other.

The difference in the deep reds says it all - people have not changed their minds. It's just a pathetic fallacy by Remainers in Parliament trying to get another divisive Referendum.

techguyone 17-12-2018 12:59
Re: Brexit
 
Shamelessly copied from another forum, but I liked it and agree with it.

Quote:
The population have been asked and have given an answer. To return again and ask the same question phrased slightly differently is an implicit request for a different answer. If you didn't like the answer from the first one, why ask it in the first place? What do you do if you get another answer you don't like? Keep asking? Then it's not a question at all, it's an instruction. If it's an instruction it's not a referendum.

It seems to me we are being led by a parliament who don't agree with the decision the public made. They are now trying very hard to make a Brexit sound impossible without catastrophe. Ignoring the questionable factualness of that statement, it's incredibly arrogant and disrespectful to ask the voters a question, then ignore their instruction because you don't like it.

If, and it is an if, a hard Brexit takes place and creates a catastrophe, so be it. That's what the electorate voted for, an exit. If it ends in tears, we can only blame ourselves. We weren't promised a clean exit or a special deal, we were simply promised an exit, however that happens.

To come back now and say, having created an utter dogs dinner of the exit, "erm, you obviously didn't know what you voting for last time, please change your mind", to escape from said dogs dinner, is lunacy.

jfman 17-12-2018 12:59
Re: Brexit
 
You know what they says Hugh.

Lies, damned lies and statistics.

Mick 17-12-2018 13:01
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35975763)
The colours are for different scales on each map - on the leave map the scales are

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...&d=1545051186p

and on the Rescind Article 50 map they are
https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...4&d=1545051186
You don't say - I am well aware of that - but it does not negate my point at all.

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Quote:
Originally Posted by jfman (Post 35975766)
You know what they says Hugh.

Lies, damned lies and statistics.
You better not be accusing me of lying!!! :mad:

jfman 17-12-2018 13:04
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35975764)
Which is exactly why I chose the ones I highlighted above - they are the opposite of each other.

The difference in the deep reds says it all - people have not changed their minds. It's just a pathetic fallacy by Remainers in Parliament trying to get another divisive Referendum.
Unless the sample size is about 34 million it’s impossible to use those graphs to derive anything meaningful.

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35975767)
You don't say - I am well aware of that - but it does not negate my point at all.

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You better not be accusing me of lying!!! :mad:
It wasn’t my intention to accuse anyone of lying.

It’s just an old saying about how statistics can sometimes be used to give a meaning that they actually don’t if you dig deeper. No offence intended.

Mick 17-12-2018 13:09
Re: Brexit
 
They do have meaning - it shows people have not changed their minds on leaving the EU.

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Quote:
Originally Posted by jfman (Post 35975769)
Unless the sample size is about 34 million it’s impossible to use those graphs to derive anything meaningful.
I'll remember that next time you quote a Data Poll result on this subject matter.

Sephiroth 17-12-2018 13:10
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35975750)
The tide is turning, rapidly.... Even her own ministers seem to be ignoring TM now.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics...nd-referendum/
Remember, these are Remainers who are keen to thwart Brexit. They are part of the anti-democratic tendency that wishes to take advantage of the parliamentary deadlock.

pip08456 17-12-2018 13:18
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jfman (Post 35975769)
Unless the sample size is about 34 million it’s impossible to use those graphs to derive anything meaningful.
We had a sample size of about 34 million which gave a meaningful leave result.
We called it a referendum.

jfman 17-12-2018 13:23
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 35975777)

We had a sample size of about 34 million which gave a meaningful leave result.
We called it a referendum.
Unless you have two you can’t measure change :)

Mr K 17-12-2018 13:24
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 35975773)
Remember, these are Remainers who are keen to thwart Brexit. They are part of the anti-democratic tendency that wishes to take advantage of the parliamentary deadlock.
They are also Ministers, part of the Government. Will they be sacked ? If not then it implies its the Govt's thoughts too.

Sephiroth 17-12-2018 13:24
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jfman (Post 35975778)

Unless you have two you can’t measure change :)
What a contrivance. A second referendum just to measure any change of opinion. Jeez.

Mythica 17-12-2018 13:32
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35975721)
I suspect millions of People did not vote to leave based on promises made, I certainly did not - I took absolutely no notice of ANY campaigns because my mind was made up for leaving years before any campaigns began.

Parliament is full of Pro EU loons who are putting their own personal beliefs before the peoples, who gave them an instruction to leave the EU and yes I say instruction because that is what they did, they passed the sovereign choice to us to decide and we decided to leave the EU, (I will not be told otherwise by anybody!!!).
Just because you didn't take any notice of the campaigns doesn't mean others did. You speak for yourself and yourself alone. If others want second vote based on what we know now, that's a fair opinion to have.

Mick 17-12-2018 13:34
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mythica (Post 35975781)
Just because you didn't take any notice of the campaigns doesn't mean others did. You speak for yourself and yourself alone. If others want second vote based on what we know now, that's a fair opinion to have.
On that footing - I guess then that this is just your opinion then. ;)

Damien 17-12-2018 13:39
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by techguyone (Post 35975765)
Shamelessly copied from another forum, but I liked it and agree with it.
Again then what the public say and how they're react if things go wrong might be very different. It's all very well for people to say 'we know the consequences, we just want OUT' but as soon as their personal situation is impacted a lot will blame the politicians.

Mythica 17-12-2018 13:41
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35975782)
On that footing - I guess then that this is just your opinion then. ;)
Of course it is. The problem comes when you believe democracy means lies.

Sephiroth 17-12-2018 13:42
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35975779)
They are also Ministers, part of the Government. Will they be sacked ? If not then it implies its the Govt's thoughts too.
Amber Rudd in particular, throughout the last 2 years has been seditious in relation to the Referendum result, Along with Hammond.

pip08456 17-12-2018 14:04
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 35975780)

What a contrivance.
Could you amend the quote in that post Seph? It makes it look as though the comment was mine.

jfman 17-12-2018 14:05
Re: Brexit
 
Rudd is the most interesting one. She’s only returned and is going against the Party line.

Hugh 17-12-2018 14:20
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35975767)
You don't say - I am well aware of that - but it does not negate my point at all.

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You better not be accusing me of lying!!! :mad:
It negates the point that areas of deep red on the Leaver map are the equivalent or greater than those in the Rescind map.

The leaver map need 200+ to hit red, the Rescind map need 571+, nearly 3 times as many to hit red, so it is not valid to say because one is redder than the other it shows more support.

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 35975786)
Amber Rudd in particular, throughout the last 2 years has been seditious in relation to the Referendum result, Along with Hammond.
So if you disagree with the Government, it’s free speech - if they do it, it’s sedition...

Damien 17-12-2018 14:28
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 35975789)
Could you amend the quote in that post Seph? It makes it look as though the comment was mine.
Fixed with special mod powers ;)

pip08456 17-12-2018 14:52
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35975793)
Fixed with special mod powers ;)
Thanks Damien.

heero_yuy 17-12-2018 14:57
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Quote from The Sun:


Brexiteers won a huge boost today as Brussels blinked over plans to manage a No Deal outcome.

The EU will announce proposals this week which will keep planes in the air and goods flowing across the Channel until at least 2020.

It means there won't be a "cliff edge" exit even if we leave the EU in March without a full deal with Brussels.

The news is a victory Brexit-backing MPs who insisted all along that Eurocrats would act to avoid total chaos in a No Deal scenario.

Jacob Rees-Mogg told The Sun: "This fits in with the idea of a managed No Deal."

Eurocrats will announce a series of emergency measures on Wednesday to reduce the impact on both sides' economies.
A victory for pragmatism. Who needs May's Hokey Cokey plan anyway?

Sephiroth 17-12-2018 15:09
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 35975789)
Could you amend the quote in that post Seph? It makes it look as though the comment was mine.
Can't see why - but I've clarified.



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Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35975791)
It negates the point that areas of deep red on the Leaver map are the equivalent or greater than those in the Rescind map.

The leaver map need 200+ to hit red, the Rescind map need 571+, nearly 3 times as many to hit red, so it is not valid to say because one is redder than the other it shows more support.

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So if you disagree with the Government, it’s free speech - if they do it, it’s sedition...
Don't be silly. The Referendum result was Leave; certain members of the guvmin are trying to derail Brexit and so stiff the 17.4 million.

Damien 17-12-2018 15:41
Re: Brexit
 
The Sun is being highly misleading to say they've blinked or decided to come with proposals now. They've been working on them for months. It's just quite literally they're revealing them now. There would still be a cliff-edge though because the EU is not planning to maintain the bilateral trading arrangements, only their own side.

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May's Deal goes to the commons on the 'week of' 14th January.

ianch99 17-12-2018 15:52
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35975759)
Yes they bloody well are. :dozey:
(it's Panto time, all together now)

Oh no they are not! :)

pip08456 17-12-2018 15:57
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 35975797)
Can't see why - but I've clarified.
Damien had already corrected it but thanks.

denphone 17-12-2018 16:02
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35975799)
The Sun is being highly misleading to say they've blinked or decided to come with proposals now. They've been working on them for months. It's just quite literally they're revealing them now. There would still be a cliff-edge though because the EU is not planning to maintain the bilateral trading arrangements, only their own side.

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May's Deal goes to the commons on the 'week of' 14th January.
And if she loses that which as it stands look extremely likely l would not be surprised if a vote of no confidence is then called against this government..

jonbxx 17-12-2018 16:03
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35975799)
The Sun is being highly misleading to say they've blinked or decided to come with proposals now. They've been working on them for months. It's just quite literally they're revealing them now. There would still be a cliff-edge though because the EU is not planning to maintain the bilateral trading arrangements, only their own side.
As have the UK - https://www.gov.uk/government/collec...u-with-no-deal

All project fear of course... I wonder if anyone who wants to leave with no deal and all will be fine would be willing to put there money where their mouth is and offer to compensate for any losses? Ress-Mogg and Redwood, I am looking at you.

As polling suggests that there is a considerable overlap in the venn diagram of leave voters and conservative voters in the 2017 election, I wonder how much regret there is for voting for a party with a 'remainer' leader and if they would vote conservative again in the future.

Hugh 17-12-2018 16:39
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 35975797)
Can't see why - but I've clarified.



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Don't be silly. The Referendum result was Leave; certain members of the guvmin are trying to derail Brexit and so stiff the 17.4 million.
Don’t be silly - that’s not what sedition means.

1andrew1 17-12-2018 16:42
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35975799)
The Sun is being highly misleading to say they've blinked or decided to come with proposals now. They've been working on them for months. It's just quite literally they're revealing them now. There would still be a cliff-edge though because the EU is not planning to maintain the bilateral trading arrangements, only their own side.

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May's Deal goes to the commons on the 'week of' 14th January.
Conceding if the EU prepares.
Project Fear if the UK prepares. ;)

Sephiroth 17-12-2018 17:01
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35975806)
Don’t be silly - that’s not what sedition means.
sedition
/sɪˈdɪʃ(ə)n/
noun
noun: sedition; plural noun: seditions
conduct or speech inciting people to rebel against the authority of a state or monarch.
synonyms:
incitement (to riot/rebellion), agitation, rabble-rousing, fomentation (of discontent), troublemaking, provocation, inflaming;

Note the synonyms.

jfman 17-12-2018 17:26
Re: Brexit
 
I wouldn’t describe it as troublemaking. Troubleshooting maybe.

denphone 17-12-2018 17:32
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jfman (Post 35975811)
I wouldn’t describe it as troublemaking. Troubleshooting maybe.
Its free speech even though l don't agree with them and if you limit free speech then you are on your way to a dictatorship..

jfman 17-12-2018 17:42
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35975813)
Its free speech even though l don't agree with them and if you limit free speech then you are on your way to a dictatorship..
Nazis in 1933. Win one vote then silence all opposition.

Damien 17-12-2018 17:53
Re: Brexit
 
We don’t have to compare everything to the Nazis and WW2

Mr K 17-12-2018 18:07
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jfman (Post 35975790)
Rudd is the most interesting one. She’s only returned and is going against the Party line.
She probably feel immune to being sacked atm.

Lets face it if the Transport Minister, Grayling, hasn't been sacked over the state of our shambolic railways, no one will be.

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35975799)
May's Deal goes to the commons on the 'week of' 14th January.
Surely they aren't going to waste another week 'debating' again, whats happening to the rest of Govt. business ?

denphone 17-12-2018 18:10
Re: Brexit
 
Corbyn tables motion of no confidence in Theresa May.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-p...ments-46592594

Hom3r 17-12-2018 18:18
Re: Brexit
 
OK JC the MPs Christmas leave is cancelled immediately and all MP have to mandatory attend, failure to attend means they are standing down as a MP for their constituance.

They then must do the debate he so badly wants, and stay until it's been voted.

Oh yeah no expenses can be claimed.

The carry out what the 17m voted for, which was LEAVE.

ianch99 17-12-2018 18:23
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 35975809)
sedition
/sɪˈdɪʃ(ə)n/
noun
noun: sedition; plural noun: seditions
conduct or speech inciting people to rebel against the authority of a state or monarch.
synonyms:
incitement (to riot/rebellion), agitation, rabble-rousing, fomentation (of discontent), troublemaking, provocation, inflaming;

Note the synonyms.
Now you are being silly.

Sephiroth 17-12-2018 18:49
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 35975822)
Now you are being silly.
Prove it.

jfman 17-12-2018 19:03
Re: Brexit
 
Corbyn threatens vote of no confidence in Government if not allowed vote on PM to be debated tomorrow.

denphone 17-12-2018 19:06
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jfman (Post 35975824)
Corbyn threatens vote of no confidence in Government if not allowed vote on PM to be debated tomorrow.
Like clowns in a poor circus it achieves nothing to put it bluntly.

djfunkdup 17-12-2018 19:14
Re: Brexit
 
LOL Bless .. Another day passes ..

Choo Choo :D:D

jfman 17-12-2018 19:17
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35975825)
Like clowns in a poor circus it achieves nothing to put it bluntly.
Well in theory either the meaningful vote or the proper vote of no confidence happens this week.

papa smurf 17-12-2018 20:03
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35975820)
Corbyn tables motion of no confidence in Theresa May.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-p...ments-46592594
Removal van has arrived outside home of Boris Johnson;)

denphone 17-12-2018 20:05
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 35975832)
Removal van has arrived outside home of Boris Johnson;)
Why is he leaving the country for his foreign residence.;)

papa smurf 17-12-2018 21:32
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35975833)
Why is he leaving the country for his foreign residence.;)
Moving into no 10

jfman 17-12-2018 21:40
Re: Brexit
 
If I’m certain of one thing he won’t be asked to form a Government.

Pierre 17-12-2018 22:06
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35975713)
So if the British people vote to overturn the previous vote of the British people, the British people are breaking the faith of the British people?
Absolutely!

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Quote:
Originally Posted by jfman (Post 35975717)
The loser’s vote, which I will term the “well-informed vote” will be a more up to date reflection of democracy than the old one.
That’s only because we established several weeks ago that you were one of the :dunce: that - by your own admission - didn’t understand what you were voting for.....

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Quote:
Originally Posted by jfman (Post 35975733)
I think crashing is the most appropriate word. It suggests uncontrolled, which is exactly what this is.
.
Nope there is a process we are following...........it is uncontrolled

jfman 17-12-2018 22:10
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 35975841)
Absolutely!

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That’s only because we established several weeks ago that you were one of the :dunce: that - by your own admission - didn’t understand what you were voting for.....
I think it is you who are the dunce. I’m sure you will not find me admitting that I didn’t understand my vote. My vote was to remain, which literally wasn’t a vote to do anything.

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 35975841)
Nope there is a process we are following...........it is uncontrolled
That’s what I said. Do you want to borrow a hat?

Quote:
Originally Posted by jfman

I think crashing is the most appropriate word. It suggests uncontrolled, which is exactly what this is

Pierre 17-12-2018 22:24
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jfman (Post 35975761)
The problem with petitions is that the social media echo chambers, on issues of national important, easily create tens of thousands/hundreds of thousands of signatures.
Funny that, just a couple of months ago the liked of 1andrew1 and Mr K held a lot of faith in petitions.

Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35968293)
Happy now that you concur that they were talking bollocks.

Thanks for the clarification

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Quote:
The EU will announce proposals this week which will keep planes in the air and goods flowing across the Channel until at least 2020.
Of course they ffff’n will, and all the project fear numbnuts that spouted that planes wouldn’t fly and there’ll be no medicine, or food, and the sun will implode, and dogs and cats living together may finally admit that they’re either very gullible or just of a nervous imposition.

jfman 17-12-2018 22:26
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 35975846)
Funny that, just a couple of months ago the liked of 1andrew1 and Mr K held a lot of faith in petitions.



Happy now that you concur that they were talking bollocks.

Thanks for the clarification
I’m not sure “talking bollocks” fits the continuous calls for posters to be respectful, but I’ll entertain your point.

One million people signing a petition is just that. More than the vast majority of petitions get, it indicates strong feeling on some level. However the nature of social media is that organised campaigns can achieve that kind of figure.

Pierre 17-12-2018 22:26
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jfman (Post 35975824)
Corbyn threatens vote of no confidence in Government if not allowed vote on PM to be debated tomorrow.
He’s desperate to look like he’s doing something whilst doing nothing.......I can’t imagine an opposition leader being this inept.......but here he is.

1andrew1 17-12-2018 22:47
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jfman (Post 35975848)
I’m not sure “talking bollocks” fits the continuous calls for posters to be respectful, but I’ll entertain your point.
It doesn't but it's Christmas. ;)

Carth 17-12-2018 22:58
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jfman (Post 35975621)
But she remains committed to her deal, and gets to stiff Rees-Mogg etc because no deal will be off the ballot once Parliament has had a say.

She can hand on heart stare down a TV camera and say she believes this is best for the country, delivers on the referendum result and the only way to achieve this is due to divisions in her party and the opposition is to have public support for it.

Why do you think she has been targeting people directly, and there are Government funded ads on social media “selling” her deal?
Quote:
Originally Posted by jfman (Post 35975848)
I’m not sure “talking bollocks” fits the continuous calls for posters to be respectful, but I’ll entertain your point.

One million people signing a petition is just that. More than the vast majority of petitions get, it indicates strong feeling on some level. However the nature of social media is that organised campaigns can achieve that kind of figure.
Makes you wonder who's playing who here, aiming at the 'gullible' on social media reminds me of all the accusations against Russia :D

Dave42 17-12-2018 23:02
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 35975849)
He’s desperate to look like he’s doing something whilst doing nothing.......I can’t imagine an opposition leader being this inept.......but here he is.
probably the worse leader labour ever had longing for a decent labour leader again

jfman 17-12-2018 23:09
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Carth (Post 35975851)
Makes you wonder who's playing who here, aiming at the 'gullible' on social media reminds me of all the accusations against Russia :D
Both sides can effectively use social media. The hard part is telling the truth ;)

1andrew1 17-12-2018 23:09
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave42 (Post 35975852)
probably the worse leader labour ever had longing for a decent labour leader again
As has been said before, he's the gift to the Conservative Party who keeps on giving be it Christmas, Easter or Spring.

Pierre 17-12-2018 23:13
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jfman (Post 35975844)
I think it is you who are the dunce. I’m sure you will not find me admitting that I didn’t understand my vote. My vote was to remain, which literally wasn’t a vote to do anything.
Well #4575

You came up with the old phrase “ that wasn’t On my ballot paper”. Which means you didn’t really understand what was on your ballot paper.

You can rebuff that assertion......but it’s a logical premise.

Quote:
That’s what I said. Do you want to borrow a hat?
Obviously a typo, I of course meant the process was controlled. I thought an intelligent person such as yourself would realise that.

Carth 17-12-2018 23:14
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jfman (Post 35975853)
Both sides can effectively use social media. The hard part is telling the truth ;)
Truth? which fool brought that into the discussion? :D :D

I merely wondered if there were Government funded ads supporting the 'no deal' side of things . . . no need to answer, I guess we all know there isn't ;)

jfman 17-12-2018 23:17
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 35975855)
Well #4575

You came up with the old phrase “ that wasn’t On my ballot paper”. Which means you didn’t really understand what was on your ballot paper.

You can rebuff that assertion......but it’s a logical premise.
So logical of course our politicians disagree. Instead we have May’s deal, Norway, Canada and an assortment of pluses.

If only they, and the electorate had all of your insight.

Quote:
Obviously a typo, I of course meant the process was controlled. I thought an intelligent person such as yourself would realise that.
I’m not going to make assumptions about your ability to read/understand my posts nor ability to articulate your own. :)

1andrew1 17-12-2018 23:18
Re: Brexit
 
Insightful comment from Sky's Faisal Islam
Quote:
What this has smoked out is fact that the DUP leadership and the ERG leadership whilst sceptical of the claims of any change to Withdrawal Deal, have essentially now given the PM another month’s confidence...
Which is good for PM, but also justifies some caution on NC from Labour.
https://news.sky.com/story/live-ther...endum-11584184

Mr K 18-12-2018 08:17
Re: Brexit
 
It's all games from all sides whilst the country goes down the pan. Guy Fawkes had the right idea...

Damien 18-12-2018 08:44
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35975863)
It's all games from all sides whilst the country goes down the pan. Guy Fawkes had the right idea...
Let's not bring the Catholics into this

papa smurf 18-12-2018 09:42
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave42 (Post 35975852)
probably the worse leader labour ever had longing for a decent labour leader again
Who exactly was the last decent leader?

denphone 18-12-2018 09:51
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 35975876)
Who exactly was the last decent leader?
Good question that is for sure but then both political parties have to go back a fair bit for the last decent leaders they had in charge of their parties.

Hugh 18-12-2018 09:57
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 35975876)
Who exactly was the last decent leader?
Well, voters thought Blair was, as they elected him three times.

jfman 18-12-2018 10:09
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35975868)
Let's not bring the Catholics into this
They’re next to get rid of once we get rid of the immigrants. The clue why is in the name: ROMAN.

Stephen 18-12-2018 10:20
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jfman (Post 35975884)
They’re next to get rid of once we get rid of the immigrants. The clue why is in the name: ROMAN.
Let's not bring religion in to it please.

Hugh 18-12-2018 10:20
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jfman (Post 35975884)
They’re next to get rid of once we get rid of the immigrants. The clue why is in the name: ROMAN.
And as for Protestants - bloody Martin Luther (German), starting his Reformation with his 95 Theses, and as for John Calvin (French)...

Mr K 18-12-2018 10:21
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 35975876)
Who exactly was the last decent leader?
Boudica was a bit opinionated, but pretty good. Downhill since we let the Anglo Saxons (English) in. Bleeding immigrants.

papa smurf 18-12-2018 10:21
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35975881)
Well, voters thought Blair was, as they elected him three times.
And he's very popular in Iraq for his efforts to improve their lives.

denphone 18-12-2018 10:23
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 35975892)
And he's very popular in Iraq for his efforts to improve their lives.
Leaders have to make difficult decisions sometimes papa as history shows you that.

Hugh 18-12-2018 10:26
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 35975892)
And he's very popular in Iraq for his efforts to improve their lives.
But we were talking about Labour leaders in the U.K., but nice try...

jfman 18-12-2018 13:30
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35975889)
And as for Protestants - bloody Martin Luther (German), starting his Reformation with his 95 Theses, and as for John Calvin (French)...
Its almost as if we have a common heritage with our European cousins. ;)

RichardCoulter 18-12-2018 13:40
Re: Brexit
 
Andrea Leadsom was doorstepped whilst leaving home for work today by the BBC. She was asked if, due to the tight timetable, no deal was an option. Her reply was to say that they were looking at all eventualities and, if Parliament didn't vote for a deal, that "no Brexit was an option". She then corrected herself and said "no deal".

Freudian slip??

Sephiroth 18-12-2018 15:04
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jfman (Post 35975924)
Its almost as if we have a common heritage with our European cousins. ;)
Well diverged, though. We look alike but don't think alike.

ianch99 18-12-2018 15:12
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 35975934)
Well diverged, though. We look alike but don't think alike.
Correction: some of us don't think alike

Sephiroth 18-12-2018 15:22
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 35975935)
Correction: some of us don't think alike
I rather think you have avoided the subtlety of the point.

Damien 18-12-2018 15:22
Re: Brexit
 
Exactly, some of them think in French!

Hugh 18-12-2018 15:27
Re: Brexit
 
https://www.theguardian.com/politics...-politics-live
Quote:
Downing Street lobby briefing - Snap summary

This is what the prime minister’s spokesman told journalists about today’s cabinet meeting.

Cabinet this morning discussed the ongoing preparations for leaving the European Union.

They agreed that delivering the deal that the prime minister agreed with Brussels remains the government’s top priority and our best no deal mitigation.

However, the government’s continued duty is to prepare for every eventuality, including a no-deal situation.

Ministers acknowledged the extensive the steps undertaken to do this, including publishing 106 technical notices and 320 no-deal workstreams ongoing across departments.

Cabinet agreed that, with just over three months until our exit from the European Union, we have now reached the point were we need to ramp up these preparations. This means we will now set in motion the remaining elements of our no-deal plans.

Cabinet also agreed to recommend businesses now also ensure they are similarly prepared, enacting their own no-deal plans as they judge necessary.

Citizens should also prepare in line with the technical notices issued in the summer and in line with further, more detailed advice that will now be issued over the coming weeks.

And here are the main points.

The cabinet has agreed to implement the government’s no-deal Brexit plans “in full”. The spokesman told reporters: “We have our no-deal plans and we will implement them in full.”

Businesses and individuals are being told by the government to prepare for a no-deal Brexit - even though the spokesman also said that the government thought that leaving with a deal remained the “most likely scenario”. A publicity campaign will be launched to provide people with the information they need.

Some 80,000 emails are going out to businesses and business groups this week with advice about no-deal planning. A 100-page Partnership Pack will also be available online to provide firms with information about what they need to do.

The Treasury will shortly provide information about how an extra £2bn allocated for no-deal planning will be spent.
Here are the Technical Notices issued in August (updated in October) - there are 20 sections (and an overview), with 105 sections in total.

https://www.gov.uk/government/collec...u-with-no-deal

And just after that briefing, this was said in the House by the Defence Minister.

Quote:
Gavin Williamson, the defence secretary, has been in the Commons making a statement about defence modernisation. During the exchanges the Tory MP Will Quince asked Williamson if he had received “any approaches from other government departments about using our world-class armed forces personnel in the event of a no-deal Brexit”.

Williamson replied:

We’ve as yet not had any formal requests from any government departments. But what are doing is putting contingency plans in place, and what we will do is have 3,500 service personnel held at readiness, including regulars and reserves, in order to support any government department on any contingencies they may need.


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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 35975934)
Well diverged, though. We look alike but don't think alike.
"We"?

Do you think the Scots, (Northern) Irish, Welsh, and English* all think alike?

*and do you think Geordies think like Londoners, or Cornish, or that Scousers think like Kentish folk?

papa smurf 18-12-2018 15:36
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35975939)
https://www.theguardian.com/politics...-politics-live


Here are the Technical Notices issued in August (updated in October) - there are 20 sections (and an overview), with 105 sections in total.

https://www.gov.uk/government/collec...u-with-no-deal

And just after that briefing, this was said in the House by the Defence Minister.



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"We"?

Do you think the Scots, (Northern) Irish, Welsh, and English* all think alike?

*and do you think Geordies think like Londoners, or Cornish, or that Scousers think like Kentish folk?
They'll think how there told to think .

Hugh 18-12-2018 15:43
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 35975942)
They'll think how there told to think .
Bless...


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