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Some sort of inferior sport to football happening on BBC right now. It's like football but for people who want to run with the ball....

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Yes they are twice as big as us so l would not mess with them.:Yikes::eeek:

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Some cracking goals from us second half today & Artur kept us in it first half. :)

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Looks like D-Day for FFP will come soon than we thought:

http://www.mailonsunday.co.uk/sport/...Fair-Play.html

As I said before it does seem City will be where the test comes. Chelsea have been making a clear effort to bring themselves under the line, the Mata sale shows that too, the other clubs are fine but City are the ones pushing it.

I think it's going to fail and Chelsea, City, PSG will go into a nuclear arms race of contracts and transfer fees.

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Oh here we go. Boo-hoo. FIFA/UEFA want to see the game grow and will do everything to have a balanced view. UEFA done sod all about Man City being bank rolled by 'third party' which is Man Citys owner. PSG got a little slap. Monaco have been warned. So long as the money is sustainable, by any means shall I add, UEFA will do sod all! Every other team can moan all they like. The real sanctions will only come into play when the extremes come to light and thats money drying up.

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Good I hope they don't do anything, there is nothing fair about ffp, it's about the big clubs protecting their position at the top of the tree and keeping the upstarts in their place.

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Well more precisely it stops billionaire upsets. It would actually help other clubs like Southampton or Everton by allowing them to build up slowly without getting overtaken and it would help stop wage inflation buy forcing the clubs higher up to curtail their contracts. It may even help stop the relatively new practise of the rich clubs buying up players who will rarely, if ever, get to play first team football. Anyone remember Jack Rodwell? Scott Sinclair?

Personally I would like to see FFP work alongside other changes such as a European wage cap and better division of wealth amongst the leagues (like the PL does).

Anyway FFP only stops the little guy if you think the little guy is a club that has recently got a billionaire owner who is ready to buy world class players. It helps the clubs that want to grow organically.

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One for thenry (from BBC gossip page)

Dutch striker Robin van Persie, 30, could return to Arsenal at the end of the season after being left disillusioned following the departure of Sir Alex Ferguson from Manchester United.
Full story: Mail on Sunday

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LOL. Nah.

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That tells you everything.

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Van Persie can do one. He's laid his bed, now lay in it!

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:D:D

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lol..I had a feeling you would say that :D

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it in mail 99.9% lies in that toilet paper excuse of a paper

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Yes you can certainly put it on a par with that other red top rag.

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Hearts 1 -1 Inverness , and Inverness down to 10 men :)

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I was criticising Hamill, and he goes and scores the 2nd goal too

2-1 hearts :D

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1-0 Liverpool Sturridge

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:D

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Inverness down to 9 men, and they equalise

Extra time looms

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Off to The Arsenal. Going to be a hard game today. A lot harder than some seem to expect. Sitting near the away bench too so am going to have to look at Pulis. Ugh.

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Just pull your baseball cap over your eyes :D

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feel sorry your having to look at him come on Arsenal hammer them please

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Inverness into the final, played well with 9 men, and Hearts played like 9 men :)

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Toure playing as he did with man city, 1-1

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1-1 what a error by Toure

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He is a clumclot pure and simple.:(:td:

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That did sum up toure's play, a defender should never pass across the front of the goal, but he has done that often

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Never heard of a clumclot, but I can guess meaning :D

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That's what happens when you have no strength in depth.

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Help Southampton and Everton do what, both are having their best seasons for decades and will achieve nothing at the end if the season, people don't remember second place let alone sixth.

It's up to the player if they want to sit in the reserves on bumper contracts, rodwell and Sinclair were already on good money so there was no need for them to go, bet no guarantees of first team football were given to them.

What chance have the.little club got otherwise, champions league money has squewed things significantly meaning clubs don't grow organically, they stagnate and become feeder clubs.

Wage caps will only work if it's worldwide.

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Arsenal: Szczesny, Sagna, Mertesacker, Koscielny, Monreal, Arteta, Oxlade-Chamberlain, Cazorla, Ozil, Podolski, Giroud

Subs: Fabianski, Jenkinson, Gibbs, Rosicky, Zelalem, Gnabry, Bendtner

Crystal Palace: Speroni, Ward, Gabbidon, Delaney, Parr, Bolasie, Dikgacoi, Jedinak, Puncheon, Chamakh, Jerome

Subs: Hennessey, Mariappa, McCarthy, Bannan, Guedioura, Gayle, Wilbraham

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Chamakh to score against his old club?

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Two points dropped and that minuscule chance of 4th spot has now become a teeny weeny chance of it now.:(

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your still in the mix for 4th Den still better chance than united at the moment

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Come on Arsenal

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Now now Dave.:nono::nono:

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I need them to win Den sorry and you know City Chelsea and Arsenal are 3 of the top 4 for certain

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Empty seats making me rage! The amount of people you see on twitter after tickets yet these ticket holders, season ticket holders don't bother selling on if they arent going to turn up!

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Well Arsenal need to win this and get something at Anfield or else their slim title hopes will come stuttering to a grinding halt pretty quickly.

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shocking first half from Arsenal :(:(:(

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Kevin Phillips is right. Arsenal havent got in behind the wall, everythings infront of Palace.

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From BBC

"
Here are some stats to go with the half-time Bovril:

Arsenal have failed to score a first-half goal in seven of their last eight Premier League games.
The last player to score a first-half PL goal for Arsenal at the Emirates was Nicklas Bendtner versus Hull - two months ago.

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:D

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gettinnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn 1-0 to the Arsenal

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2-0 gettinnnnnnnnnnnnn

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Only until tomorrow night when City thrash Chelski and reclaim top spot. COME ON CITY!

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It won't be as easy as that.

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Yeah Agueros out so I wouldnt be so sure of Chelsea being torn a new one.

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Very honest post match from Wenger. So other deals that could have happened would have meant 3-4 yr contracts, that would as before screw the wage budget. Reports suggest Arsene will have a transfer kitty of 80m in the summer. I believe theres 100m minimum!

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Doesn't matter how much, he is so tight he won't spend a penny of it. Or if he does, it will be on useless people that nobody else wants to buy.

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Good win. Palace hard to break down as expected in the end. Atmosphere was a bit muted, probably because of the performance and the cold weather.

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Well how does holding out in the hope a billionaire owner comes in and buys world class players help them. At least this way they won't be overtaken by clubs that have not spent as long cultivating their youth team and making slow but steady progress up the league. They won't have to watch as wages get inflated by an influx of outside money into the game and struggle to pay those wages.

They don't have any chance unless they win the owner lottery. There is less incentive to build up organically when they can spend years doing so only to be overtaken by a club that has even more money than Champions League qualification can bring. Tottenham and Everton are two clubs that would probably have Champions League football by now...

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And Everton are one of the clubs ripe for a takeover and what would you rather have, billionaire owners putting their hand in their pocket or billionaire owners raping the club and of course the incentive is their or else clubs like spuds and Everton wouldn't keep trying.

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That doesn't have to be the choice. Ideally I would rather than the German model where the fans have to own half the club but that is going to happen any time soon. So I would rather than the self-sustaining business model so that the future of a club isn't dependent on money that comes from outside the club and clubs which look long-term and develop their facilities are rewarded.

This isn't about protecting the little guy. The Champions League has distorted competition but the answer to that isn't to distort it even further by allowing one club to spend billions of pounds more. That makes the inequality worse. Not every club isn't going to get these rich owners. In the end there will be a handful of clubs bankrolled by the billionaires and the difference between them and the rest will be even more vast. You won't get clubs like Everton and Spurs breaking into that top 4.

Then there would be no point because there will be nothing you can do to match them, no footballing or business achievement to get where they are. They will have revenue that will never be available to you no matter how much you invest in your stadium, your team and your future.

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I disagree, the rich clubs can't buy all the players, money gives them an advantage nothing more. Yes look at Germany, where one club dominates the rest or Spain where it's two. By not allowing rich owners to invest you're protecting the status quo, why do you think Chelsea are so against the likes of man city, for the good of the game or the good of the owner?

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No. Their serving their own interests just as Arsenal and United are doing too. Ditto Spurs and Liverpool. Although in fairness to the last four that's how they've been operating for years anyway. Also the reason the PL is not like Spain is because we redistribute the money a lot more fairly allowing stronger squads across the league. We should have more of that, not less, and work to reduce the economic disparity between clubs. FFP isn't perfect, it doesn't do anything about the CL advantage, but it is a start. At the very least FFP will help curtain wage inflation which will be a win for the smaller clubs. Also clubs can invest. Money for training facilities, youth programmes, and stadium improvements are all ignored by FFP.

The problem is the league is an entertainment product and every club plays their part in that. This is something even the Americans have recognised by making their league system for the NFL a lot more socialist.

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I honestly don't see FFP working. Too many leagues all working under different structures and vastly different laws to start with. From the ease of obtaining work permits in certain countries to the tax free haven at Monaco. Every FA would have to agree to work with one another regarding every single aspect and make it equal in every way, which ain't gonna happen. A lawyer involved with the Bosman ruling is already preparing to go to court. http://www.fourfourtwo.com/features/...another-pompey

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The American owners are the big problem imo, far more so than some sheik or oligarch, they seem interested in what they can take out of clubs rather than what they can put in, I liked it when local businessmen who were fans owned the clubs but much like the fans they were used to they've been priced out to. Wage inflation is out of control but I can't see any ffp wage savings being passed on to the paying punter, I remember linaker at spuds being the countries best paid player on a grand a week and Chris suttons move to Blackburn being criticised because he was earning 5000 per week, halcyon days

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I don't think American owners are a problem. The idea of a club being a business make sense from everyone's stand point as then they're constrained by market forces and not making a loss, which is surely a healthy approach to a football club.

I also prefer the old system too. I liked it when Arsenal were owned by several people who had long associations with the club but there you go.

No I too doubt they'll be passed onto the punter but at least it would curtain it getting worse and the clubs won't lose as much money. Only a handful of clubs made a profit last year. The state of football's finances are shocking. I think we need a even more retribution of money from the likes of Arsenal, City, Chelsea etc to the rest quite soon.

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Football clubs aren't businesses and shouldn't be run to give someone a profit, they're the communities and fans their in and 'owners' are mere custodians, that said it'd be better if they didn't make huge losses.

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They're are businesses though. All of football is a business. We may wish this was not so but that's the reality of the situation.

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They aren't businesses, businesses are run for profit in the main, football clubs aren't, businesses have customers, clubs have fans and they aren't the same thing either.

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l am not surprised by their decision because to build a new stadium would have been much more expensive.

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:rofl:

#CleverleyIn

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Real Madrid stadium redesign.

http://www.thelocal.es/20140130/cata...rnabeu-stadium

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yes they seem to always be attempting to out-do each other

http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/88...l#post35667738

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You are both right, and both wrong.

If a club is owned by someone other than the fans, it is a business, whether it is run to make a profit is different. EG Man Utd has been profitable for the glaziers.

It needs to pay its debt, and if it doesn't..it is made to. (on that point I applaud the Treasury)

But unlike most businesses, it needs the fans onside, else the "business model" will fail

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An example...

Stan Kroenke - Kroenke Sports Enterprises

Providing entertainment, a product to not 'fans' but 'customers' who become 'fans'.

I actually got called up on this last season. An Arsenal fan told me I sound like a consumer moaning about Arsenal.

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#MoyesIn

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no more

https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2014/02/52.jpg

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Chelsea have arrived at the Etihad

https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2014/02/53.jpg

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Players do like to desert a sinking ship but whether it is holed below the water is another matter.

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Man City: Hart, Zabaleta, Kompany (c), Nastasic, Kolarov, Navas, Demichelis, Toure, Silva, Dzeko, Negredo

Subs: Pantilimon, Boyata, Clichy, Milner, Rodwell, Lopes, Jovetic

Chelsea: Cech, Ivanovic, Terry, Cahill, Azpilicueta, Luiz, Ramires, Hazard, Matic, Willian, Eto'o

Subs: Schwarzer, Cole, Mikel, Lampard, Oscar, Salah, Ba

really looking forward to this game

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I thought moyes went public saying he wanted to change the team. So not too surprised players are not happy.

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I am not sure about Martin Demichelis.

I hope he proves me wrong.

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Interesting...

https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2014/02/51.jpg

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l can see a draw tonight as City have several big injuries.

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From BBC, which i agree with

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Paddy Emmerson: Am I the only one bored by Mourinho's constant hypocritical moaning and whinging? The Special One? More like The Tedious One.

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Most managers are hypocrites and they say something about other manager's then do exactly the same.

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Demichelis is better in midfield than defence anyway imo

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I hope you are right. I am not keen on him in defence, so only way is up :)

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Kompany needs to take a chill pill, looking like an early bath candidate ATM.

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I don't know how many times Nastasic has given away a free kick just outside the box. arrgghh

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Chelsea will rue that chance.

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I thought it was a certain goal

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Shocker, City nervy at the back now. A Chelsea win wouldn't be too bad, as it stands...

https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2014/02/50.jpg

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The Demichelis better in midfield is not going well, at the moment I'm not sure where he is good at :)

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left back at the training ground ?

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At the moment Chelsea look in cruise control.

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Yes, I wouldn't complain about that :D

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His best days are long gone l am afraid.

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City are so dysfunctional when put under it. Arsenal would tear the league apart if they had a quality striker.

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Disagree. Just our team not playing well, but dysfunctional?

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Hmmmmm now that is a wild claim bud..

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Attacking wise it wasn't that bad to begin with, Citys true strength but as soon as Chelsea started counter attacking and scored it all fell apart.

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Hand over Suarez and we'll show you :p:

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There is no balance in your side tonight and you are certainly missing those 2 or 3 key players out injured.

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Oh what a daydream believer.:nono::nono:

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I think the main reason is that we are playing with one less man in midfield. Demichelis has played poorly.

I would put jovetic on in his place.

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Jovetic is a forward in my opinion and not a midfielder.

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Milners on the bench? I forgot about him, I thought may be he had been loaned out. He's one of those tactical players, utlility player if you like, why not throw him in ?

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Chelsea bench looks beast. City are up against it.

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I could be wrong, but I think he has played there before.

I think city need to be aggressive, and get Demichelis off

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I had to check (as not seen him play ,much), but it says
Jovetic: His primary position is a second striker, although he can also operate as an attacking midfielder or a winger

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He would have to be drilled tactically though. Can that be done during a 15min period ? Also he hasnt exactly played any football. Its a big ask.

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Chelsea might rue these missed chances.

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Pass football. Avoid passing to chelsea player.

He is drilled. :D

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Quit saying that..you are jinxing us :D

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I reckon you're drilled. Get your kit on big boy ;)

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Long time since I heard that :D

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Oh..kit on..ok :D

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Its okay as l have broad shoulders.:D

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Now all we want to see now is a photo of you with your kit on as one suspects that would be a frightful sight indeed.:Yikes::eeek: