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That failed my needs due to requiring HBO content along with (in my view) the superior STB and fast BB provided by Virgin. To get what I needed I had to go outside of the established status quo. So this established status quo does not work for everyone. Most people just put up with the limitations of the established status quo and don't really believe that it actually works for them. |
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In terms of sport, the present arrangement has succeeded in bringing us the highest prices anywhere in the world. How can you be happy with this? Something needs to be done, and pronto, because the existing state of affairs does not work for the benefit of the consumer. It's just a huge money making machine that only benefits big business. I have nothing against big business, but lack of regulation often means that some organisations will take unfair advantage. |
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I've just had a survey email.
I did the survey and it was focused on sports packages, it asked a plethora of questions about mixing all 3 service providers up and which packages i'd prefer. At the end it asked if i'd had any communication from VM about price rises and how much i would deem acceptable. As i'm soon to be dumping the LL and TV my answers were probably a bit skewed and i was hoping there would be a section at the end for me to put my thoughts down, sadly not. |
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In response to passingbat and Old Boy, but in no particular order...
Status quo means " the existing state of affairs". The existing state of affairs is that streaming services exist. Using them is hardly a " way around the problem" either. And since you haven't done the sort of extensive market research that Sky, Virgin, Netflix et al have, I don't see how you can so confidently say that your view is that of "most people". I'd also question your use of the word "needs", because you mean "wants", and we can't always have what we want, but I reckon you probably have enough of what you need. We also have the highest quality free to air programming of anywhere in the World, imo. I'm sorry that you begrudge paying premium prices for premium content, but I've had half price Sky Sports for the last 6 months because differentiation works for the consumer. |
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And I'm sorry, but in my mind, you were clearly talking about the competition between Sky and VM when you were referring to the status quo. |
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And I don't care what you thought I was referring to, the status quo means the current state of things. It's really not for you to decide what I mean when I say things. ---------- Post added at 17:37 ---------- Previous post was at 17:34 ---------- Incidentally I wasn't the first to mention the status quo, so I couldn't say how it was meant when first brought into the conversation. But my use of it has been correctly, and as stated. |
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Your point that most people are unhappy with this arrangement is not evidenced by the fact that these companies still feel able to charge these prices, and subscriber numbers remain high - albeit a minority are cord cutting. My point is this. Because Sky and Virgin offer differing products within the same market place th consumer is able to play them off against each other to his advantage. I, for example, was able to get a good deal with Virgin for Sky Sports because they recognised that I could move to Sky if they didn't do their best to keep me. If both companies offered exactly the same product then it wouldn't work in the way you think it would. It wouldn't mean that they would compete on price. It would mean that they would set their prices at a similar level and stop offering discounts on the basis that there wouldn't really be anywhere else for you to go. We know this because that is what has happened in every industry where there is no differentiation. It would mean Sky would have no reason to experiment with 3d because it wouldn't gain them custom. It would mean Virgin wouldn't try to continually improve their broadband speed because it wouldn't put them ahead of the competition. Companies must be allowed to innovate, because that's when the consumer really benefits, and the only way to incentivise that is to allow them to earn from their unique aspects without being required to share them with the largest competitor. Nobody is forced to take their products, nor is anybody entitled to receive them. |
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Andy_m - well said throughout these last couple of pages. It really is up to the consumer to pay for the channels (or not) as the case maybe. I agree the status quo is fine, I can not express my thoughts any better than you have yours.
PB. Anyone who does have an issue about the price they pay for sports and then continues to pay it after it increases, and still complains after it goes up, clearly has more money than sense IMHO. And yes, the longer customers continue to pay for it, the longer they will continue the price rises. They are perpetuating their own problem. |
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There is a better way, and just because a product is the same wholesale price to all suppliers does not mean that providers cannot differentiate their service from their competitors. You can use different price structures, choose which channels you will make available and even create new channels using programmes that exist on a number of different channels that are available elsewhere. You may be happy to pay higher prices and have less choice, or to go without if the price is too high, but for me that is definitely not good enough. I think many would subscribe to that. But as long as you are happy, Andy, hey! :beer::Peaceman: ---------- Post added at 12:25 ---------- Previous post was at 12:21 ---------- Quote:
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Either way I think we're probably well past the stage where we should agree to disagree so I'll leave it there with sincere thanks to all involved for an interesting debate. |
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I'd be genuinely interested to hear if anyone else thought that post was appeared "moody"?
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The irony of the piece is that the news of the latest price increases have spurred me into action, and I have a deal in place with another provider that to be honest better suits what I want at a price I'm happy with and a superb cash back referral. Ideally I'd be cutting the cord, but I tried unsuccessfully to convince the Mrs this time last year and not much has changed. I'm hoping that after the 18 month contract is finished I'll be able to make a convincing case for relying on a mix of streaming services, but we'll see. So after everything in the last few pages I'll be phoning Virgin tomorrow to give them them a choice between fighting for my business or cancelling my services with them. I contacted them earlier and was offered TV M for free on top of broadband and phone, keeping the TiVo as effectively a smart(ish) freeview+hd box - but actually their broadband is a good £10 or so more expensive than other providers in my area and I'd be spending another £10-15 on streaming services so wouldn't actually see that much of a saving. Now that I finally have FTTC in my area, I have options outside of the big two, which hasn't always been the case. Shame as I've enjoyed being a Virgin customer, but TiVo no longer holds the pull for me it once did when suggestions was still a working feature and I stand by what I've said earlier in this thread - you can't complain about what private companies charge for their services, because they're not necessities - you either pay it or you don't. |
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Now Andy you must take one of those pills you are supposed to take every day.;)
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I think these recent price rises indicate a near two-tier pricing structure and this applies to most providers, not just VM. Reduced prices for those who haggle and increased prices for those who do not with an increasing difference between the two.
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Of course, £65 a month is a bargain for Sky+HD, family pack, Sky Sports HD, anytime calls and 40mb fibre broadband and doesn't quite chime with the assertion that we have to pay more than anybody else in the World to watch top level sport, especially when Virgin want £40 for the equivalent phone and broadband products alone, but like I've always said, if you think it's too much and continue to pay it then that's down, solely, to you. I'm quite looking forward to speaking to retentions tomorrow - they're shut today - and I'm open to staying because I know what I'm getting, I know it works and I know I like it, plus I won't have to arrange engineers visits etc, but right at this moment I think they're going to have to work quite hard to keep me. ---------- Post added at 12:17 ---------- Previous post was at 12:12 ---------- Quote:
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Phoned Virgin. They can increase my broadband speed to 152mb and leave me with xl everything plus Sky Sports in hd for £80pm rising to £90pm at some point during the contract. Let's face it, that's not a bad deal, but it's not as good as available elsewhere, and it's a lot more than I need, so I've cancelled. I felt a distinct lack of effort to keep me, which was instrumental in my decision.
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I make that about £25 off the web price at £80 a month. I'm in the same boat and looking around. Best i can see is half price £34 full Sky package for TV for VM customers who switch and BT Fibre with BT Sports for 26+17 line rental Sum total £77. |
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In 2014 our prices have gone up above inflation and we really haven't got anything to show for it. So i can only imagine VM are doing this to increase profits. Which whilst is a sensible business decision its going to p*ss people off in the long run and push people away. With the prices having gone up surely they could have afforded sky atlantic by now....(haha just trying to stir it up) |
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For those interested I'm back! Had a phone call today from Virgin having given thirty days notice on Monday. Offered me my current package (TV XL, TiVo, V+HD, Sky Sports HD, anytime phone, 50mb broadband) at £64 per month, and it's protected from the February increase, for a new 12 month contract.
That's 40p cheaper than the Sky half price offer (Sky+HD, Family HD pack, Sky Sports HD, unlimited fibre broadband, anytime calls, but no second stb). It also means I keep the channels I would have lost by going to TalkTalk (BT Sport and the HD channels being the only real concern). And it leaves me with multi-room for upstairs which I was something I still hadn't decided how to resolve. So I signed back up! Until this time next year...! |
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We will be phoning in the next couple of days as our contract has ended and we will be hoping that we can get a reasonable new deal as loyalty can only take you so far and we have been loyal for a very very long time.
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Bizasia: Eurosport UK renews CLT20 cricket deal.
Eurosport has retained the UK/Europe rights for cricket’s Champions League Twenty 20 (CLT20) for the next three years. http://www.media247.co.uk/bizasia/eu...0-cricket-deal |
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Is it the price? If so and you are still on the old packages, I think you will be pleased with what they may be able to offer you. I saved nearly £50 per month on my quad pack! |
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Is sky sports 4 being renamed in December as sky darts still? Ridiculous name change |
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Sky Sports 3 HD is to become Sky Sports Darts HD from December 18th Vince.
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I'm stuck in work and the game is on bt sport. do we have access to the bt sport app to watch it or just stuck to the vm app which won't let me watch over 4G? I have 16Gb of data to use up in 10 days i could have enjoyed watching the game! |
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Vodafone tie up with Liberty Global could pose fresh challenge to Sky football dominance.
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would liberty global sell up though?? i thought they were trying to control the cable market in europe
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Personally my hunch is l don't think they will sell up Vince.
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Premier League opens TV rights bidding process.
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Friday night football is a good start, but I was hoping we'd see an end to the Saturday 3pm blackout this time around.
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l am not sure we will ever see the end to the Saturday 3pm blackout Andy.
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Channel 5 to show new Football League show at 9pm on Saturday nights
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That's better then BBC's current late late show.
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A joint Discovery/BT bid for Premiership football rights maybe? If so, they could outbid Sky for the lion's share. If they manage this, I think it will be very interesting to see how this translates in terms of consumer benefits.
http://advanced-television.com/2014/...ights-process/ Speaking at the FT Digital Media Conference in London in March 2015, David Zaslav, President and CEO of Discovery Communications, said that the broadcaster would consider acquiring premium sports rights such as the Premier League. “We have a real advantage keeping the costs of second level sports manageable. The question is do we go up a level. In some cases taking a big swing might make sense to do in a joint bidding. In some cases might make sense to leave bigger high end sports to big broadcasters. We’ll just have to see,” he added. |
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Nonetheless, recent developments indicate that a bid in competition with Sky is quite likely to be successful this time around. Sky may find itself left with the minority share of the Premiership rights. All speculation, of course, but these are interesting times. |
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I confidently predict that the distribution of Premier League rights will remain broadly similar to the current situation. Friday night football is, imo, a way of allowing BT more matches without impacting Sky.
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Let's face it whoever outbids Sky is going to have to pay huge sums to do so. Your last sentence should have perhaps said the following Quote:
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And let`s not forget Sky have more money to spend now they don`t have the champions league games,next season of course.
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That's true but in my opinion I'd say these rights are essential to Sky's future success.
A few years back Sky was virtually unchallenged , now it has to continue to compete with its traditional pay TV platforms as well as the likes of Netflix , Amazon and the many other low cost online alternatives. Whilst moving into Entertainment made sense I still believe one of the main drivers is Premier League football. BT's potential purchase of EE must also be causing some headaches at Sky , Vodafone could also make a move for a pay TV provider , this is probably the most challenging time the Sky board has ever faced. |
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I don't think it's as big a headache as all that because I don't think there's quite the appetite for quad play. I've been a quad play customer. I had a two year mobile contract and little opportunity to renegotiate my other three services which were on 1 year deals. I'm now with another provider on a better deal and can't see me going back. Besides which, EE already offer broadband and home phone, so apart from good 4g infrastructure and 25m customers to sell tv to, BT aren't adding anything to their core triple play business. I think if it happens we'll continue to see them run separately.
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Let's wait and see , BT haven't so far been in the dominant position when it comes to sport , they've needed their channel on as many platforms as possible to promote it.
BT aren't making an aggressive push into sports rights to benefit other platforms this is purely to sell Fibre Broadband and push people onto its own TV service. As for its potential purchase of EE , this will allow it to sell BT Sport bundled with its 4G service similar to how Vodafone offer Sky Sports with 4G contracts. |
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Sport and in general but particular is now the only selling point of paid tv now. However the PL need to get real as well as BT and sky. What is going to happen in this bidding is the prices will soar to record levels again which will then have the know on affect of raising prices to the consumer. With the prices the way they are now I am cancelling my movies and sports as there is no value anymore. For the amount of money I am paying compared to the number of matches I watch there isnt the value there and judging by the people I speak to Im not the only one. Im a broken record here but in order to show value all the matches should be available. I can see a crash or a readjustment happening as it looks like it will be a viscous circle. The prices are going to go up because the rights are more expensive. More people are going to cancel as the prices go up. And off we go again.
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Great footballer's generally don't make great pundits in my humble opinion.
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Broadcastnow says Discovery will show an friendly between Real Madrid and AC Milan on Quest and British Eurosport later this month.
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Good to see Eurosport will be showing some football prior to the start of the ACON 2015, and possibly the AFC Asian Cup 2015.
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Is the African cup of nations on the bbc ?
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Nice to see NFL RedZone available in HD on Sky Sports 5 HD.
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Here's a question: I made a sky sports device change on 1st december. does that mean i have to wait to the 1st january to make a new one?? i got a new phone. Is it also true if i'd made the device change on the 30th november i would have been able to do it now??! how annoying one day has cost me. |
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As for wwe network does anyone know if you can use it on phone on just 4G? if so i spy watching 1997 wrestling pay per views at my desk in work. huzzah |
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Haha. I doubt I will play it, but I have just signed up for soccermanager and I see he has a rating of 75. Don't know if that is any good or not though. I also doubt he will get much playing time in the ACN, but he will be good to bring on with 20-30 mins to go. |
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Oi, hands off Kwesi Appiah!!!
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Kaikai looks very good. He's played and scored for us in the League Cup this season. See if you can find his goal against Liverpool development squad on YouTube. |
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Sky Sports signs two-year extension to broadcast England cricket.
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If you guys want to send more players down to us for some practice against tough tackling defenders, do feel free.:) |
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Well the rumour round our way is that Kaikai's on his way back for the rest of the season, so you may have your wish!
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At long last.:)
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They'd have little left for him to work on anyway :D
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One suspects someone will still pick him up though.
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Great stuff, it's a further 3 year deal. Now just to fix my knicks :(
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New TV deals for UK rally fans
http://advanced-television.com/2015/...uk-rally-fans/ As the legendary Rallye Monte-Carlo gets under way, the sport’s chiefs and UK broadcasters ITV and BT Sport have revealed that fans of the FIA World Rally Championship in Britain will receive improved television coverage of the series after both ITV4 and BT Sport agreed new deals for 2015. Both networks will broadcast comprehensive coverage from all 13 rounds of the championship, beginning with the ‘Monte’. Welsh language network S4C will also report on the series. The WRC has enjoyed increased interest in Britain over the last 12 months as fans focused on the fortunes of Northern Ireland’s Kris Meeke and Welshman Elfyn Evans. “It’s a huge vote of confidence for our sport that both broadcasters were eager to renew their commitment to WRC for 2015,” said Oliver Ciesla, managing director of commercial rights holder WRC Promoter. “WRC Promoter has developed new TV programmes during the last two seasons, especially Sunday’s live TV Power Stage, and the feedback we have received from both ITV4 and BT Sport during our negotiations have been extremely positive,” he said. ITV4 will broadcast an hour-long highlights show following each round in a prime-time Tuesday evening slot, with additional daily programmes from the final round at Wales Rally GB (12 – 15 November). The highlights programme will be repeated the following Saturday and ITV 4 has also committed to increase online coverage at www.itv.com. BT Sport has renewed its agreement following a successful collaboration in 2014 which peaked with BT Sport presenter and ambassador, the former England test cricketer Graeme Swann, driving at Wales Rally GB for a documentary. It will broadcast live stages from all 13 rounds, as well as event previews and post-rally highlights shows. Additionally, it will bring fans various programming from Wales Rally GB later this year. BT Sport will also step up its coverage by screening classic archive programming featuring former British world champions Colin McRae and Richard Burns. |
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Sky Sports will provide unprecedented coverage of Super Bowl XLIX next week, including seven days of non-stop NFL programming on a single channel.
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Boxing makes a big return to terrestrial TV next month with 2 world title fights.
On the 21st February Manchester's Martin Murray travels to Monaco to face undefeated top 5 pound-for-pound world champion Gennedy Golovkin on Channel 5. And after an absence of nearly 5 years, ITV confirmed today they will be showing Carl Frampton defending his IBF title against hard hitting number 1 contender Chris Avelos on the 28th February. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/box...elevision.html ITV executive Niall Sloane said: 'This is a first step back into boxing for us and it is very exciting. 'It used to be that fighters were built up on terrestrial television before going on to pay-per-view with the likes of Sky. But lately the wider public have been deprived of the chance of seeing brilliant youngsters like Carl.' This is big news for boxing fans as it looks like both Channel 5 and ITV have a commitment for the sport. Impressively these are 2 of the biggest shows world wide in February and they've been opened up to a massive terrestrial audience. Will be interesting to see the impact this renewed interest in the sport has on SKY and Boxnation. |
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Lets hope this is just a start of it as Boxing does itself no favours by narrowing its audience by going PPV all the time.
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