Cable Forum - Brexit (Old)

The new immigration policy will be designed to let in the foreign bodies we need and keep out those who would simply steal our jobs or come here to bum around and cause trouble.

We only need people from abroad who can fill our skills gaps and the jobs the Brits don't want or who can demonstrably support themselves. Students would also be welcome while they were in college or university on limited stay visas. We need to consider under what circumstances people with family links to UK citizens can be allowed into the country as well.

Shame we can't export our own nationals that can't be bothered to do jobs, bum around and cause trouble.... They are more of an issue.

TheDaddy

28-02-2019 13:40

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35984741)

Thank you for replying to a point I didn’t make - much appreciated...

For posterity, I would like to point out that I have no intention of stealing either Meghan or Kate from the Princes Harry and William... ;)

How will ending Freedom of Movement affect the rising number of non-EU migrants coming into the U.K.?

I bet the ponces sorry prince's will be very relieved to hear that Hugh

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35984742)

The new immigration policy will be designed to let in the foreign bodies we need and keep out those who would simply steal our jobs or come here to bum around and cause trouble.

We only need people from abroad who can fill our skills gaps and the jobs the Brits don't want or who can demonstrably support themselves. Students would also be welcome while they were in college or university on limited stay visas. We need to consider under what circumstances people with family links to UK citizens can be allowed into the country as well.

Student visas are the biggest scam going, in fact I'd go as far as saying they'll be the next big immigration scandal exposed, hopefully anyway...

1andrew1

28-02-2019 13:59

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35984734)

But that seems to have been your mindset, as if departure from the EU will bring the sky crashing in.

The world beyond Europe is where most of the economic growth will come from.

You seem to be conflating increased bureaucracy from leaving the EU with country growth rates.

RichardCoulter

28-02-2019 14:49

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35984741)

I didn't.

The quality and quality of non EU immigrants needs to be carefully controlled too. As automation gathers pace, we need to be thinking of ways to reduce the population when the need arises.

denphone

28-02-2019 15:18

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Tory Minister quits over Brexit delay vote.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-47405261

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Mr Eustice is a longstanding Brexiteer, who stood as a UKIP MEP candidate before joining the Conservatives.

Mr Eustice, MP for Camborne and Redruth in Cornwall, said he was resigning with "tremendous sadness".

Angua

28-02-2019 17:19

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Originally Posted by RichardCoulter (Post 35984752)

The fact that some of our own commit crime and abuse the benefits system is irrelevant; we don't want to be forced by the EU to accept those of a similar ilk.

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I didn't.

The quality and quality of non EU immigrants needs to be carefully controlled too. As automation gathers pace, we need to be thinking of ways to reduce the population when the need arises.

If the government actually used the rules there are in place and bothered to check when EU people entered the country, those without means of supporting themselves after 3 months could be sent back home.

But oh no, the UK does not bother to check when someone enters the country and then leaves our own benefit rules wide open to being taken advantage of.

So this is purely a UK problem in not following rules they could.

Oddly the number of immigrants to the UK has not changed, just fewer from the EU.

mrmistoffelees

28-02-2019 18:40

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Originally Posted by Angua (Post 35984758)

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35984742)

The new immigration policy will be designed to let in the foreign bodies we need and keep out those who would simply steal our jobs or come here to bum around and cause trouble.

We only need people from abroad who can fill our skills gaps and the jobs the Brits don't want or who can demonstrably support themselves. Students would also be welcome while they were in college or university on limited stay visas. We need to consider under what circumstances people with family links to UK citizens can be allowed into the country as well.

Hmmmm, now, i wonder where in the world this attitude towards migration has been played out before, and how it lead to those people being treated........ Singapore is one country that instinctively springs to mind with it's treatment of migrant Bangladeshi workers. Can you name another?

Migration is not about creating a class system, it's about mutual integration,acceptance & tolerance.

OLD BOY

28-02-2019 18:50

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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35984743)

Shame we can't export our own nationals that can't be bothered to do jobs, bum around and cause trouble.... They are more of an issue.

They are all an issue, Mr K. But we really don't need the low lifes from other countries bumping up the numbers.

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Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 35984747)

I bet the ponces sorry prince's will be very relieved to hear that Hugh

Student visas are the biggest scam going, in fact I'd go as far as saying they'll be the next big immigration scandal exposed, hopefully anyway...

It just needs the appropriate checks and balances to sort this out.

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Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees (Post 35984763)

Today they announced that net migration from outside of the EU had actually increased

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-47400679

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Hmmmm, now, i wonder where in the world this attitude towards migration has been played out before, and how it lead to those people being treated........ Singapore is one country that instinctively springs to mind with it's treatment of migrant Bangladeshi workers. Can you name another?

Migration is not about creating a class system, it's about mutual integration,acceptance & tolerance.

What 'treatment'? I don't see anyone on the forum saying migrants should be mistreated!

What attitude are you talking about? What is wrong with only allowing people in who have the skills we need? This is a small and crowded country. We need to have sensible policies in place that recognise and address that.

mrmistoffelees

28-02-2019 18:59

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35984766)

They are all an issue, Mr K. But we really don't need the low lifes from other countries bumping up the numbers.

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It just needs the appropriate checks and balances to sort this out.

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What 'treatment'? I don't see anyone on the forum saying migrants should be mistreated!

What attitude are you talking about? What is wrong with only allowing people in who have the skills we need? This is a small and crowded country. We need to have sensible policies in place that recognise and address that.

and the jobs the Brits don't want

A direct quote from your post, and when the above is allowed to fester in a society those who are doing the jobs that other nations don't want end up mistreated.

I have seen this first hand in multiple countries. Singapore, China and Australia to name three.

How would you propose that the UK ensures that this doesn't happen?

1andrew1

28-02-2019 19:26

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35984704)

Could you give some examples of these "restrictive EU regulations", please, which business can be liberated from, and the perceived benefits to consumers?

You're on fire, Hugh! Yesterday you posted a question which the respondent could not answer and you've done the same today.

Carth

28-02-2019 19:29

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and the jobs the Brits don't want

Well if I was unemployed I can tell you a job I wouldn't want, and that's one of those 16 hours a week 'agency' type jobs

denphone

28-02-2019 19:38

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Originally Posted by Carth (Post 35984783)

and the jobs the Brits don't want

Well if I was unemployed I can tell you a job I wouldn't want, and that's one of those 16 hours a week 'agency' type jobs

Which are very widespread in today's laissez-faire economy but offers zero security to workers.

TheDaddy

28-02-2019 19:55

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35984782)

You're on fire, Hugh! Yesterday you posted a question which the respondent could not answer and you've done the same today.

There are no questions brexit answers, ask them what we'll be selling the world the day after we leave that we aren't now and they can't tell you, they'll tell you we'll be free to make our own laws, ask them which laws they don't like and they can't tell you, they'll tell you instead we'll be back in control of the borders and then the figures are published saying immigration from non EU countries is greater, so they'll say well we'll have freedom, to do what exactly, exactly what will I be free to do the day after we leave that I wasn't before, except live or work in the EU of course, perhaps it's free to be noticeably poorer so when that's pointed out they'll tell you instead it's about a feeling that questions or experts just can't answer, well in that case I have a question for them, what happens when brexit isn't the answer, when it doesn't solve the way millions have been left behind or the misery millions more endured through austerity

mrmistoffelees

28-02-2019 19:55

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Originally Posted by Carth (Post 35984783)

and the jobs the Brits don't want

Well if I was unemployed I can tell you a job I wouldn't want, and that's one of those 16 hours a week 'agency' type jobs

But it's OK for a migrant to do it? and whilst they are doing that you would be doing what? waiting ever hopefully?

Carth

28-02-2019 20:46

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Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees (Post 35984791)

But it's OK for a migrant to do it? and whilst they are doing that you would be doing what? waiting ever hopefully?

No not at all, stop picking holes where there are none. These zero hour contracts should be outlawed IMO

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