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Nowhere near the same sort of situation.


Imagine a situation where a trade union threatened a strike. The Employer wouldn't take negotiations seriously unless they were prepared to go on strike, and if that failed, actually went on strike. Both sides suffer.

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May making a statement right now on the BBC News channel & BBC2.

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It's exactly the same situation. You don't decide to do something and after doing it then decide what to do next.

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So what? go into any major city on a Friday or Saturday night and you'll see people exhibiting exactly the same sort of behavior so once again your point is moot. The same 'freedom of movement crap' as you so eloquently phrase it is what allows British ex pats to live overseas and work British workers to work overseas.

Finally, if you're the one whose been pickpocketed then of course it's going to change your view point as it's a personal & emotional. But, as with most things it needs to be examined as a whole and subjectively.

You're just repeating and insinuating your same old tired bigoted nonsense as per usual

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Looks like the tin may be kicked down the road. If Theresa May gets an extension, what happens when that expires and she has no new concessions from the EU? That's when it starts to get really interesting.

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I would be interested to read Nomad's response to this point.

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This probably means article 50 will be delayed right? May's deal doesn't have a majority so unless the ERG decide to vote for it to avoid a delay, there isn't a majority for no deal and so delaying it will win?

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That's the way i see it too, unless of course May has managed to achieve the changes/assurances required to get her deal through parliament (Highly unlikely, but there's a very slim degree of possibility) MP's then get stuck with either voting their conscience or voting their constituents requests.

Article 50 is extended, May quits and the issue is kicked down the road again for the next Tory leader to try and resolve.

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Another bad analogy. If you strike, you still have a job to go back to after the strike.

A better version would be if you resigned from your job with no redundancy payments and the challenge of finding similarly rewarding employment at short notice.

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You need to challenge what you watch more.

https://fullfact.org/europe/over-her...-90-atm-crime/

Until there is some objective, verifiable evidence to support this, this is just hearsay and conjecture click-bait.

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I seem to remember the official leave campaign leaflet saying they'd sort the deal out before w asked to leave, which makes more sense to me

I think Mrs May will get her deal through now...

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Why though? The pressure is off now since the idea of crashing out with no deal can be postponed for three months. The only scenario I can see is that the ERG sense that this is the best they can get since something else might happen in those three months but they don't seem to be thinking like that at the moment....

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Pound rises against the Dollar & the Euro as chances of remaining in the EU increase. Although I suspect it has more to do with No Deal being less likely.

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I think there’s no doubt this is about threatening the ERG. They’re holding out for No Deal but as they do so they risk No Brexit. There’s little chance of a second referendum being called by Parliament this month, but in two or three months, if negotiations are still at an impasse? Who knows what might happen then?

I think we’re about to get a legally binding addendum to the withdrawal agreement (so that the agreement itself has not been re-opened, as per EU insistence) which will be put to Parliament as Meaningful Vote #2. And all hell will be let loose on the Tory back benches as No.10 tries to get it voted through.

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I actually think it's worse when immigrants do it as opposed to our own, it's more of an affront.

Freedom of movement is wrong. No country should have to allow foreigners into their country and have no say in it, allsorts of lowlifes are coming in (especially in London).

As previously stated, those who go to live in Spain usually have to pay health costs, usually buy their own property, don't need employment, won't need maternity/education services etc etc. It's a totally different area, however, Spain would be within their right to ask them to leave. I bet they won't though.

If a country decides that they want to allow immigrants in (presumably they will control the quality & quantity of them), then that's a completely different thing altogether.

Those who voted to remain have this issue above all else to blame for the vote not going their way.

Trying to silence people by playing the bigot/racist card no longer works.

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An interesting and better thought out post than simply playing the bigot card- thank you.

Whether the figures are correct or not, ending free movement would hopefully allow us to rid ourselves of people who commit crime (serious or otherwise), we have enough of our own! It also impacts on police resources as they have to pay for translators as well as the extra time involved.

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Disagreeing with, and pointing out errors in what someone says is not playing the bigot/racist card - saying that is a pre-emptive straw man argument.

You strongly object to people making unsubstantiated generalisations about disabled people, but seem happy to do so against immigrants - double standards in play.