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I don't have a problem with that stuff but it was ham-fisted in its delivery, same later when they were saying the Doctor would 'get it' if he was still a woman. I am very much a 'show, don't tell' when it comes to politics in film and television. If you want to make a point then tell it via the story and construction rather than have a character literally deliver the message via a line of dialogue only tangentially related to the story.

In the line mentioned, there is little reason for the Doctor to 'assume' the gender of the thingy. Just have him use 'They' rather than have the family, only moments after coming into contact with an alien lifeform, be bizarrely transfixed on the pronoun used to refer to them. It takes you out of it.

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It was the teans character delivering the line though, so that made a bit more sense. Would have been weirder coming from someone else IMO.

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Or maybe you have a tendency to accept things uncritically that ought to be questioned and not taken at face value.

There is a world of difference between being polite to someone on the one hand, and on the other, accepting without evidence or debate, that the whole basis on which we understand human existence has changed. The actor Yasmin Finney is a biological male who has ‘transitioned’ - apparently with the help of hormones and possibly surgery, I don’t know - and for all I know has had that change legally recognised as well. You’re right, it would be needlessly antagonistic and rude to find out the name on Yasmin’s birth certificate and use it instead of ‘Yasmin’. I’d never do that and I doubt many people would.

However, if I were in a group chat including her, and referred to her as ‘she’ while talking to someone else in the chat, I’d bet real money that she wouldn’t object to my using female pronouns in reference to her, without having explicitly checked that with her first - even though, in the Doctor Who scene I referred to above, that is exactly what RTD postulated via a line of dialogue given to the character, Rose Noble.

The problem we have as a society is that thus far, the trans lobby’s ‘no debate’ strategy has only really been deployed in the sorts of liberal circles where their cause was always likely to be accepted as a progressive one without much critical analysis. We are however at the point where people with well grounded, competing philosophies of human existence are going to start asking where such heinous crimes as ‘misgendering’ have sprung from, and why, in a supposedly open, liberal democracy, something so fundamental as this should be off limits for proper debate.

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With all this wokeism we are having rammed down our throats we are witnessing the fall of the Roman Empire

To be honest this is the sort of thing that was always going to happen in a period of essentially extended peace. Society has nothing to worry about come complacent and now has to find something to worry about.

Imagine if some real threat to world peace started. Once the existing armed forces were deployed and started to suffer casualties this country would fall in a very short period of time. All the while seeing the woke lying down in a dark room

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Apologies for steering the conversation down this rabbit hole.

Incidentally, I agree entirely with what Chris has said, and I'll also take his advice and watch it, and ignore the scene in question.

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There are two, the one Chris mentioned, and the one I mentioned near the end.

Like I said, cringeworthy, but just about ignorable overall.

I'm just hoping they dont overdo this in every story, otherwise I'm going to give up on the latest Mr Woke doctor before it even gets off the ground.

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I do remember covering how 'woke' brought down the Roman Empire in GCSE History. The parallels are uncanny.

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“Nero fiddles while Rome burns”

We are all just stood watching the fall of our society and doing nothing to stop it

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The same thing was said in the 20s, the 50s, the 60s, the 70s, et al…

Every generation bemoans the following ones…

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But each time it gets worse and worse and worse.

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Well.

You hire Neil Patrick Harris, you get Neil Patrick Harris.

That was epic.

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Epic, scary, fun and also I'm still unsure on that ending it was mad.

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I think all those coy comments from Tennant about whether he’d ever come back again have now been supplied some crucial context.

There’s an unresolved plot thread there, and I predict we’ll be seeing him again at the end of the next full series in 2024.

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Well that was a lot better than last week (which was dull and boring).

Two doctors existing at the same time, thats new (long term anyway).
Why did no one notice he was in his underwear, and offer him some trousers ....

Lots of references to old events and characters (not sure they were all necessary).
Almost ruined by yet another bloody musical element, fortunately over pretty quick.