Originally Posted by Jimmy-J (Post 35660724)

I left school in the 70's, me and a few mates, who left at the same time, all got a job at the same place. After so long I got bored and started another job right away, I got bored several times until I was finally happy with the job I found. There seemed to be loads of jobs for the taking back then, it was great.

I wouldn't like to be a school leaver now, or anyone who's out of work for that matter. It must be so difficult to cope, especially when almost every bit of news in the media is about job cuts, benefit cuts, benefit scroungers, immigrants, mass immigration, immigration, immigration and even more immigration... it has to be the most talked about subject out there.

I can only see it getting worse, there will be rioting on the streets, people will have had enough, they will have nothing to lose, no job, no money and no hope. At least in prison it's warm, you get fed, fit and educated.

I'd say the government / powers that be, know exactly what they're doing, it's as if this is what they want, they want to destroy the country.

If you're going to vote in the future, then my advice is to spoil it by voting for none of the above. I honestly find it ridiculous that there are still hundreds of thousands of people out there that will vote for the same dishonest, corrupt parties. They are laughing at us! Even UKIP, they'll all stab you in the back, and I guarantee you that whoever you vote in, you'll be calling for them to resign within a year, and all they will do is point the finger and blame the previous lot of scoundrels... Oh yeah, and the poor, working class and the disabled will carry on paying the price.

Things need to change, but I can only see a change for the better happening by the situation getting worse, ie even more suffering.

Originally Posted by solitaire (Post 35660815)

Some very good points raised there, but I'm of the opinion that if you don't vote you can't really complain about things.

Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 35660729)

rather than give them the benefit of the doubt I'm all in favour of lumping then in together until legality is proven.

Originally Posted by solitaire (Post 35660815)

Some very good points raised there, but I'm of the opinion that if you don't vote you can't really complain about things.

Originally Posted by Ramrod (Post 35660830)

Guilty till proven innocent? Best lock me up then :dozey:

Originally Posted by tizmeinnit (Post 35660810)

I personally prefer to just blanket not trust the government. It works for me as far as I am concerned they are all lying cheating self serving slime and I am not a sheep

I also think the same of Labour and Liberals and even UKIP even though I am a member I just want out of the EU

Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35660839)

you do seem to bleat a lot, though.....;)

Originally Posted by Chris (Post 35660836)

And everyone else who's self employed. Arranging your tax affairs to make the most efficient use of tax allowances and rules is what you pay an accountant for. I'm still waiting for one of our resident Tory-haters to tell us where exactly they think the line is, between legal tax avoidance that they approve of, and legal tax avoidance they disapprove of.

Originally Posted by tizmeinnit (Post 35660841)

so much I would like to say but I would not get away with what you do[COLOR="Silver"]

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corporate tax avoidance when it costs the country millions and anyone who uses deception to save tax like coffee beans in a Scandinavian country for example . Those who declare everything fairly are fine imo

This from a pretty much all political party hater

Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35660851)

Dude, you just called everyone who disagrees with your viewpoint sheep - what is it exactly you don't get away with?

Passive/aggressive much?

Originally Posted by tizmeinnit (Post 35660856)

did I say I was referring to you saying I bleat? no you didn't perhaps I mean't something else? hmmmm

Oh and to be pedantic I said I am not a sheep I did not actually call anyone anything ;)

Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35660783)

Why the 'mock Scottish'? (especially as you are English).

Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35660874)

Yes you did ,you intimated that all those who think differently to you i.e trust official figures are sheep

Originally Posted by tizmeinnit (Post 35660877)

my intimation is purely seen by your perception

Originally Posted by Chris (Post 35660763)

An ISA is not an 'aggressive tax avoidance scheme'. And 'aggressive tax avoidance scheme' is not a phrase used in the graphic posted above.

The word used in the graphic is 'avoidance'. 'Avoidance' is a very broad spectrum which, at one end, has common practice such as ISA use.

So, I pose the questions again: do you think the person that compiled the graphic has been in any way discerning about what figures to include? Are all avoidance measures included? If not, where was the line drawn? What criteria did the person compiling the graphic use to determine which (legal) tax avoidance measures to include alongside (illegal) tax evasion and which to leave out?

Originally Posted by Ramrod (Post 35660830)

Guilty till proven innocent? Best lock me up then :dozey: