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Sirius 10-08-2011 15:29
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Originally Posted by Sparkle (Post 35286200)
Just heard a senior policeman on LBC stating that watercannon are only effective against fixed mobs, not running battles....

Still, should be interesting to see how it works.
I have watched water cannon hitting a crowd, i have to admit it looks great and cheers you up when you have just been given grief for over an hour by the **** who are now getting a wash in freezing cold water.

devilincarnate 10-08-2011 15:30
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Originally Posted by Sirius (Post 35286205)
I have watched water cannon hitting a crowd and have to admit it looks great and cheers you up when you have just been given grief for over an hour by the **** who are now getting a wash in freezing cold water.
They should put ice-cubes in the water cannon and then fire it as there would be no evidence? So there would be no need for plastic bullets?

Sparkle 10-08-2011 15:31
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Originally Posted by Gary L (Post 35286202)
Well they can always use it to put fires out. just hope they remember to fill it up with water first.

the whole world will be in stitches otherwise :)
That's a good point, if violence flares up like this again with so many fires - it's inevitable that will run out, sods law dicates that'll likely occur at the most inopportune moment, right when it's needed.

Osem 10-08-2011 15:33
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sparkle (Post 35286200)
Just heard a senior policeman on LBC stating that watercannon are only effective against fixed mobs, not running battles....

Still, should be interesting to see how it works.
Big fires start out as little ones so if watercannon are in situ at least there's a chance that they can snuff out some of the minor ones before they gather magnitude.

Sparkle 10-08-2011 15:40
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Originally Posted by Osem (Post 35286208)
Big fires start out as little ones so if watercannon are in situ at least there's a chance that they can snuff out some of the minor ones before they gather magnitude.
They should have had watercannon in every city for exactly that purpose, even if not allowed to use it on people. Just think how much property could've been saved with a little forward thinking.
Politicians, forward thinking? Pah.

Osem 10-08-2011 15:45
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Originally Posted by Sparkle (Post 35286213)
They should have had watercannon in every city for exactly that purpose, even if not allowed to use it on people. Just think how much property could've been saved with a little forward thinking.
Politicians, forward thinking? Pah.
True. Short term budgets don't encourage long term thinking.

denphone 10-08-2011 15:49
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Originally Posted by Osem (Post 35286219)
True. Short term budgets don't encourage long term thinking.
And l agree with that and it would be good if we could take the political short term aspect out of it and plan for things long term.

Sparkle 10-08-2011 15:49
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Originally Posted by devilincarnate (Post 35286206)
They should put ice-cubes in the water cannon and then fire it as there would be no evidence? So there would be no need for plastic bullets?
Or, capsicum oleoresin (cheaper) or capsaicin - essence of red peppers.
Entirely non-lethal, and the main ingredient in pepper spray.
I have a bottle of capsicum oleoresin in my cupboard (circa 5 million scoville heat units). Its the essential oil of peppers (steam distilled oil from dried chillis). A few spoonfulls of that in a spray bottle = instant pepper spray.

A litre bottle per water cannon tank ought to do the trick. :)

devilincarnate 10-08-2011 15:59
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Originally Posted by Sparkle (Post 35286225)
Or, capsicum oleoresin (cheaper) or capsaicin - essence of red peppers.
Entirely non-lethal, and the main ingredient in pepper spray.
I have a bottle of capsicum oleoresin in my cupboard (circa 5 million scoville heat units). Its the essential oil of peppers (steam distilled oil from dried chillis). A few spoonfulls of that in a spray bottle = instant pepper spray.

A litre bottle per water cannon tank ought to do the trick. :)
A good idea, but I think that the ice-cubes would hurt and do more damage?

Sparkle 10-08-2011 16:05
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Originally Posted by devilincarnate (Post 35286236)
A good idea, but I think that the ice-cubes would hurt and do more damage?
Possibly, but between the ice-cubes jamming up the pump and the bleeding heart liberals, organically grown™ pepper extracted, biodegradable oleoresin might be a good bet too.

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Also, a blind mob running into lamp poles and other obstacles would do some extra damage too.
The footage would be priceless.

thenry 10-08-2011 16:10
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Be careful, those below will come after you like the A-Team :Peaceman::hyper:

devilincarnate 10-08-2011 16:10
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Originally Posted by Sparkle (Post 35286239)
Possibly, but between the ice-cubes jamming up the pump and the bleeding heart liberals, organically grown™ pepper extracted, biodegradable oleoresin might be a good bet too.

---------- Post added at 17:05 ---------- Previous post was at 17:03 ----------

Also, a blind mob running into lamp poles and other obstacles would do some extra damage too.
The footage would be priceless.
Yes all very true and well said or you could just add caustic soda to it. The second part to it would be well welcome (you've been framed moments):D:D:D

Sparkle 10-08-2011 16:13
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Yes, caustic soda would do the trick too - but it'll cause permanent blindness, same with acid. The effects from pepper spray subside after 20 min or so, so noone gets permanently harmed.

Pierre 10-08-2011 16:14
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http://m.mirror.co.uk/article?a=m4:23334652

Teacher charged with looting.........

What else can you say?

denphone 10-08-2011 16:15
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Greater Manchester Police has arrested a man on suspicion of arson after a branch of Miss Selfridge was set alight yesterday

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/blog/20...-day-four-live


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