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zing_deleted 11-08-2007 14:06
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Originally Posted by goldoni (Post 34373193)
While you are all entitled to your opinions just remember it’s a small world and you know how good cable forum is indexed by the search engines. So before you put your four pennies worth please think what the McCann family must be going through and they may just see what is quite hurtful to them.

Madeleine was brought into this world with more than just love she is a test tube baby, that take more than just love it takes years of being mucked about with and the husband doesn’t get away scott free, I know I have the tea shirt. So please think before you post, don’t let your opinion upset someone that’s already totally devastated with the loss of their little girl.

Let he who is without sin cast the first stone!

I do not care what they think of me if they see what ive said and it hurts tough . Maddie is the only McCann I care about.

Gareth 11-08-2007 14:19
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Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 34373199)
Yes you did, by definition largely responsible= almost completely responsible
Rubbish. Largely != the majority.

By saying they are largely responsible I am saying that they are responsible on a large scale. Whether that's because the child was abducted - the chances of an abduction happening would have been massively reduced if they had taken their children with them to the restaurant or simply hadn't gone at all - or because they are in some way more directly involved in the child's disappearance is irrelevant. They are still largely responsible.

Stuart 11-08-2007 14:48
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Originally Posted by RizzyKing (Post 34372642)
There we differ i have 2 kids and if i had left them alone when they were little more then baby's i would call my self a bad parent as i think the vast majority of parents would.

One mistake, while (in this case) tragic, does not make them bad parents. We don't know them. They could be absolutley amazing parents.

TheDaddy 11-08-2007 15:02
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Originally Posted by Gareth (Post 34373207)
Rubbish. Largely != the majority.

By saying they are largely responsible I am saying that they are responsible on a large scale. Whether that's because the child was abducted - the chances of an abduction happening would have been massively reduced if they had taken their children with them to the restaurant or simply hadn't gone at all - or because they are in some way more directly involved in the child's disappearance is irrelevant. They are still largely responsible.
Seriously I can't be bothered to argue over your definition of the word largely. That said I agree with the end of your post, a parents most important job is to protect their children, they failed and in doing so they made it easy for her to be taken, they will have to live with that for the rest of their days.

Saaf_laandon_mo 11-08-2007 15:44
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Originally Posted by Stuart C (Post 34373223)
One mistake, while (in this case) tragic, does not make them bad parents. We don't know them. They could be absolutley amazing parents.
Amazing parents would not leave their 3 children (including a set of babies) alone whilst on holiday, in a different country, while they are off wining and dining. Amazing parents would then not try to justify their actions by saying "its not different to eating in your garden whilst your kids are aqsleep upstairs", or by saying it wasnt something they've not done before....

Amazing parents, in this case I dont think so... amazingly stupid would be the term id use for ALL parents who did something like this, whether their kids ended up 'abducted' or not.

Rockabilly Spike 11-08-2007 15:46
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[Admin Edit(Mick):-Inappropriate and offensive post removed. Do not use such foul language, do not use CAPS (Or SHOUT) in future posts please. This board is for minors as well as adults.

Stuart 11-08-2007 16:03
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Originally Posted by Saaf_laandon_mo (Post 34373236)
Amazing parents would not leave their 3 children (including a set of babies) alone whilst on holiday, in a different country, while they are off wining and dining. Amazing parents would then not try to justify their actions by saying "its not different to eating in your garden whilst your kids are aqsleep upstairs", or by saying it wasnt something they've not done before....

Amazing parents, in this case I dont think so... amazingly stupid would be the term id use for ALL parents who did something like this, whether their kids ended up 'abducted' or not.

Actually, I said they *could* be amazing parents. I didn't say they were. WE DON'T KNOW. They made ONE mistake. ONE. One incident, however tragic, does not necessarily reflect the quality of their parenting.

RizzyKing 11-08-2007 16:42
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Stuart leaving them once might at a stretch be a mistake to routinely leave them alone does not to me say good parenting whatsoever and in this country if you routinely leave your kids alone social services call it neglect simple and in the UK you don't even have to do it for a week for social services to call it that.

They have a case to answer and they havn't in fact i am amazed that they have so far failed to accept the blame for this and only call themselves naive many of us have other terms in mind.

slug 11-08-2007 16:53
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Police in Portugal have acknowledged for the first time that missing Madeleine McCann may be dead.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6942198.stm

XFS03 11-08-2007 16:54
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Originally Posted by Gareth (Post 34372967)
This article from the Daily Mail (:shocked:) shows just how close/far (delete as appropriate) the apartment is from the Tapas Bar. I believe it was referred to by Team McCann as like "eating in your back garden" :erm:
I find it strange that the British press has waited 99 days before publishing their own photos, and mentioning the real distance between the tapas bar and the apartment. They were there within hours of the story breaking, but never published photos or questioned anything the McCann's said. Almost as if they were being gagged.

Saaf_laandon_mo 11-08-2007 17:23
Re: Toddler 'abducted' during holiday
 
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Originally Posted by RizzyKing (Post 34373258)
Stuart leaving them once might at a stretch be a mistake to routinely leave them alone does not to me say good parenting whatsoever and in this country if you routinely leave your kids alone social services call it neglect simple and in the UK you don't even have to do it for a week for social services to call it that.

They have a case to answer and they havn't in fact i am amazed that they have so far failed to accept the blame for this and only call themselves naive many of us have other terms in mind.
This is what i don't understand. They have routinely left their kids alone while they go out to eat and even worse, to date, I have not even heard them say that leaving kids alone is wrong. All thats been said is that they've made a mistake.

Good parents do not leave their kids alone over and over while they go out alone.

Stuart 11-08-2007 17:24
Re: Toddler 'abducted' during holiday
 
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Originally Posted by RizzyKing (Post 34373258)
Stuart leaving them once might at a stretch be a mistake to routinely leave them alone does not to me say good parenting whatsoever and in this country if you routinely leave your kids alone social services call it neglect simple and in the UK you don't even have to do it for a week for social services to call it that.

They have a case to answer and they havn't in fact i am amazed that they have so far failed to accept the blame for this and only call themselves naive many of us have other terms in mind.

Err, have we been told they did this over and over, or are you (and others) assuming they did?

Saaf_laandon_mo 11-08-2007 17:25
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Originally Posted by XFS03 (Post 34373267)
I find it strange that the British press has waited 99 days before publishing their own photos, and mentioning the real distance between the tapas bar and the apartment. They were there within hours of the story breaking, but never published photos or questioned anything the McCann's said. Almost as if they were being gagged.
I recall the pictures of the apartment and the distance to the restaurants quite soon after Maddie went missing in one of the Sunday papers (could have been the Mail).

Pia 11-08-2007 17:38
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Originally Posted by Stuart C (Post 34373278)
Err, have we been told they did this over and over, or are you (and others) assuming they did?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/liv...70&expand=true

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"Police have reconstructed the holiday routines of the McCanns and have come to the conclusion that the children were left alone on other occasions," the newspaper says.
It reported that throughout the week the McCanns and their friends made a habit of suppers by the pool while the children - Madeleine, her twin siblings, and three other children - slept alone in the apartments
http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/a...ger/article.do
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The parents of missing Madeleine McCann left their three children alone in their apartment every night of their holiday because they did not want a stranger to babysit, it has emerged.

But, tragically, the routine may have allowed whoever abducted their daughter the chance to build up a picture of their movements while he planned his crime.

Rockabilly Spike 11-08-2007 17:52
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as i attempted to say earlier, but was edited (apologies).
if you leave yer stuff lying about unattended, someone will nick it.

applies to kids too.

if they hadnt gone out and someone had broken in looking to abduct a kid and been faced with angry parents, it woulda been different.
if they're taken the kids with them and someone breaks in...no kid to abduct.

just cos you're on hols doesnt mean you get a vacation from parental responsibility.

they're negligent and far too blase about admitting they actually did anything wrong.
if they were a chav/charv family, the papers would be full of stories about how disgusting it was that they left their kids unattended, even for one night.

but as soon as anyone voices this opinion, you get shot down saying its not helping or 'how could you? its a childs life'.
if the parents were with the kid, she wouldnt have been taken.
how much money and man power and hours have gone into this investigation?
they should be made accountable for something.


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