Re: smoking and the pub
 

Actually the power lies ultimately with the government and quite right too. So far as I have seen in this thread, many landlords are more worried about their profits than the health of their patrons (and I imagine this is a perfectly natural concern), however, our health is more important than the landlord's bank balance, which is where the government legislation steps in.

Re: smoking and the pub
 

:clap: :clap:

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I don't think it's nearly as clever as you do. This is what I said in response to Neon's post:

Re: smoking and the pub
 

So what? :shrug: I wasn't aware that I should form the same opinion of peoples post as you do. Is there a new site t&c I don't know about?

I still think :clap: :clap:

Re: smoking and the pub
 

Actually, you would, because health and safety law would overrule the landlord's toleration of such a thing - in much the same way as health and safety laws are about to over-rule landlords who allow smoking.

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But the problem with this, Chris, is that non-smokers currently have a choice as to whether to visit a pub where smoking is allowed or a pub where smoking is not allowed/confined to a small area. After this ban is imposed, and the balance of power is shifted, as you put it, then the smokers won't have the option of going from a pub where smoking is not allowed to a pub where smoking is allowed, as this pub (er... that serves food too, I hasten to add) will not be permitted by law. Currently non-smokers have a choice - soon, smokers will not have that choice.

Re: smoking and the pub
 

Because you're quoting and applauding something someone posted earlier today, which more than one other person has since attempted to refute. If you want to take the discussion forward instead of simply shouting from the grandstand, why not tackle those objections, or at least explain why they're not relevant?

Re: smoking and the pub
 

Which you can enjoy fully by excising your right to not go into establishments where smoking is allowed.
Why should I not be allowed to chose to sit down with smoking friends while we eat and they smoke?
They are allowed to choose to smoke, so why am I denied the choice to passive smoke?
If somewhere is smokey and you don't want to go in there because of it, simply don't go in there, no one is forcing you to put your health at risk.
Do you also believe that tobacco products should be banned?
If so, how about alcohol?

Yes it does prove something.
People are exercising their right to choose.
People who stay away are staying away because they don't want to go there, leaving the pub free for everyone who does want to go there.
If the landlord wants to attract non-smokers, then fine, let him impliment a non-smoking policy, and people will still be able to excise their right to choose whether to go there or to go elsewhere which allows smoking.

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I no longer smoke by the way. :dozey:

No one is forcing you to go to a public house where smoking is permitted. So don't go! Same for smokers.

Why have a complete ban? What's wrong with individual choice with regards to what publicans want? Do we not live in a democracy, with so called freedom of choice?

If smokers in pubs are in such a small minority, why is it then that most publicans don't want an enforced ban?

Re: smoking and the pub
 

So what? I agree with his post, and I applaude it. Why the **** do I have to justify that action? Who called the posting police? :rolleyes: I really don't care whether you liked his post as much as I did or not.

Re: smoking and the pub
 

Sealed room for smokers!

We've got them now,they're called pubs which allow smoking. :)

Anyway, how long would it be before non-smokers wanted to come in to our sealed room?

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My argument throughout has been that the 'choice' afforded to non-smokers is an illusion. For a start, there are virtually no non-smoking pubs. And to follow, in those pubs which have 'separate' areas, I have never once been in one where the non-smoking section is entirely smoke free, *except* in very large establishments, where it is possible to sit a long, long way from the smoke.

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Smokers in pubs are not currently in a small minority, but they are in the overall population. If smoking were banned in pubs, I expect many non-smokers would come out of the woodwork and frequent pubs more often, having previously avoided them for health reasons and because they didn't like coming home stinking of smoke.

Re: smoking and the pub
 

Another fine point Neonknight :clap: :clap: :clap:

Re: smoking and the pub
 

Why on earth would a non-smoker want to go into a sealed smoking room?