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Still takes time to come up with a new vaccine and vaccinate everybody. What happens in the meantime?

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Well, would you mind telling me which variants are immune to the available vaccines? There is no point in worrying about something that has not happened.

We have been told that modified inoculations will be available this autumn, anyway. It takes only a few weeks to modify it as required.

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We should continue to live in fear. Makes perfect sense.

Mortality rate is under 50’s - 0.5 %
Mortality rate in under 40’s - 0.19%
Mortality rate in under 30’s - 0.04%
Mortality rate in under 20’s - 0.01%

And this is before the vaccine roll out got really going.

Yes, we should all live in fear.

The government and the media really have done a number on everyone.


https://www.gov.uk/government/public...england-report

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Not like you to do selective interpretation, OB.

I heard of increasing confidence. I heard nothing in absolute terms. The fact Boris took to television on Friday at 5pm makes me think that confidence isn’t that high - added to the u-turn on 12 weeks.

Here’s one for the scrap heap with it going away by itself in the summer (2020).

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Are the numbers low because of lockdown, vaccine or a combination of both? This remains to some extent unclear. The vaccines against variants even less proven to date. An order of 60 million Pfizer doses for autumn makes me think (as ever) the Government confidence levels aren’t that high.

Distancing. Masks. Work from home if you can. The easy, no cost ones at a minimum while more people get vaccinated (twice) and more real world (not lab) data emerges on vaccine vs variants.

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I know - imagine using an existing search facility to provide information to support a proposition.

It’s almost as if you think providing facts and context was a bad thing… ;)

btw, an archivist is a person who has the job of collecting and storing the materials in an archive - did you mean a researcher? ;)

(In a previous life I was an Intelligence Analyst, so your poor attempts at derision for using skills I learned then are wasted - but keep on keepin’ on…)

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Didn't say any current variants dodge current immunity. New variants are going to keep popping up, because people are determined to spread the existing ones, which then given the chance to evolve into new ones.
The fact that each time a new variant is announced, questions are asked and checks are made. demonstrates that it is considered a possibility. There can be no guarantees.

Viruses don't necessarily just badly affect those with weaker immune systems. Spanish Flu is an example of where those with strong immune systems were badly affected.

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https://news.sky.com/story/is-the-in...erned-12280387 The problem is, we don’t know, and until we do, caution should be our watchword, because we have recent first-hand experience of what happens when we don’t.

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Distancing = no cost? Try telling that to theatre, cinemas, restaurants, clubs etc. Your grasp of business as on point as usual.

Let’s wait, and wait, and wait, and wait...........hold on.......are you Kier Starmer?

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They can enjoy the next lockdown then, which as ever remains absolutely inevitable unless something of substance changes.

I think you'll find that it's official government policy to wait and judge the position on June 14. This Conservative Government led by Johnson.

They've also put local lockdown on the table. It's a slippery slope but one you seem desperate (as ever) to climb on.

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As always this seems lost upon those who for 15 months now this has been a constant trait. Almost as if they enjoy a lockdown so insist upon spinning the roulette wheel to achieve another one.

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If you're to ill to wear a mask then you probably shouldn't be out in a pandemic anyway. Why their rights were given greater weight than the people's lives they might infect was never really explained

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So why make them

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Variants aren't immune, for the covid to be immune from vaccine it'll have to evolve into something entirely new, like covid 21 iirc. Heard a very interesting report on radio 4 earlier on bats, think it was called patient zero focusing on the Hendra virus and how bats host so many different viruses that continued further exposure to humans can only lead to more outbreaks, hendra virus is 60% fatal in humans and 90% fatal to horses so there's some real nasties in store for us if we carry on as we are

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Trawling up old posts from a single source, Cable Forum (I.e. an archive) .

And , anyone can use Google. But that wasn’t what I was referring to.

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It was not a selective interpretation, jfman. Did you actually watch the Andrew Marr Show?

As for the summer 2020 prediction, the virus did indeed reduce to minimal levels. It was the Kent variant that changed everything.

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So it didn’t go away by itself, in fact the opposite happened and it became more transmissible? That’s bad luck OB, I’ll give you that.

I don’t need to watch Andrew Marr - there’s a write up on the BBC website. You are conflating optimism, and indications with cold, hard evidence.

But let’s face it, you’ve ignored evidence since last February so why change the habit of the pandemic. I look forward to how you were right but for the pesky Indian variant on June 22 as we retain masks and distancing on the basis of actual evidence not optimism.

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No it was a few working vaccines that did that.;)

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So far, all of the vaccines work against the variants. Vaccines can be modified in about six weeks to take account of new strains where necessary. Like flu, there will be appropriately modified vaccines each year to be used as boosters. In fact, they may introduce joint flu/Covid vaccines.

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And you are accusing me of using selective arguments. :D

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Let's just say I look forward to you being proven wrong on June 22, OB.

The messaging from the Government is deliberately unclear and evasive. Their hands are over the emergency stop button and it's staring you right in the face if you pay attention to the parts of sentences you deliberately ignore or omit.

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Modifying a vaccine in 6 weeks is not the same as manufacturing millions of doses and getting them into everyone’s arms. That takes months, as we’re now well aware. And on a global scale our vaccine rollout has been one of the quickest ones.

*If* the India variant is a vaccine escape mutant then we will be back to lockdowns in time. It would be inevitable. Thankfully at the moment the mounting data suggest that this is not a vaccine escape scenario, but rather the consequence of certain clusters of people not coming forward to get vaccinated when first asked.

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The problem is if it's not binary we are still in a place where we need some restrictions for some time ongoing.

If it dents efficacy 10% not much concern. 20-30% might be enough to prevent lockdowns but leave areas stuck in restrictions similar to the last three weeks or the next three, but still further away from abandoning all distancing and masks on an entirely arbitrary date that some desire. Local lockdown remains realistic in areas of vaccine hesitancy.

The data in the next few weeks should offer some clarity around it.

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Interestingly though, a lot of the vaccine hesitancy (in Bolton at least) seems only to be skin deep. Threaten the locals with prolonged restrictions that no longer apply to their neighbouring towns and they queue round the block to get their jab.

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I heartily approve of such a strategy!

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Few onion seeds a dash of turmeric and a cardamom pod and there you have it one "indianised" vaccine :)

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My mum used to turn leftover Bolognese into chilli con carne by adding kidney beans and a teaspoon of chilli powder :D

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The AZ vaccine doesn't work well with the South African variant, if at all.
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/...ant-inefficacy

And Sinovac CoronaVac works poorly with the Brazilian variant
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-56731801

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I'm not sure you fully understand what reports on the AZ effectiveness on the SA variant actually say. It fails to prevent the person getting moderate to mild symptoms but it does prevent serious illness. So you may get a cough and sniffles but not go to hospital and or die.

Also that was done on a small sample size (2000) with an average age of 31.

Depends what you mean by poorly, that report advises efficacy of between 50-65% but does not give detail on the severity of any infection post vaccination, if it stops serious illness and hospitilisation then it's done its job as far as I can tell.

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It prevents serious illness in a sample size so small with an average age you wouldn't expect serious illness.

For reference check your own statistics produced only yesterday.

"If it stops serious illness" is a big if based on the data available. Hence the sensible step to alert the public of a potential pause while real world data is evaluated.

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No, it says nothing about serious illness. It might prevent it, it might not. But the doubts were serious enough for SA to sell 1 million doses that had already been delivered, and switch to J&J instead.

The ongoing case and death rates in Chile, despite having 47% of the population vaccinated, suggest otherwise:
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/chile
https://ourworldindata.org/covid-vaccinations

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Link
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Vaccines don't take effect instantly, it takes time for the immune system to generate any immunity. During that time, people are still susceptible to getting the real thing. People are going to ignore that and end up still spreading it.

Vaccination centres might end up being super-spreader events with loads of younger people and others who have not followed the simple rules, now attending them.

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Oh dear Old Boy. June 22 isn't looking so good.

https://www.itv.com/news/2021-05-17/...1-close-to-nil

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I’ve said it before, There should be one metric and one metric only, that determines the government’s actions and that is hospitalisation rates.

Initially the only reason for restrictions being imposed was to ease pressure on the NHS.

If the NHS is not under pressure, there should be no restrictions.

But we’ve given the government too much power, they’ve been allowed to act like a totalitarian regime and they like it. They want to retain control so they move the reasoning.

It’s no longer about easing pressure on the NHS, it’ll be some other reason, keeping infection rates down to an arbitrary level, or zero Covid.

It’ll be a fight to get our freedoms and rights back, if Captain Hindsight had any sense that’s the fight he should be taking to the Government and the one he should have been doing all the way through this.

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In fairness you’ve been wrong every single time you’ve said it before, so I doubt Captain Hindsight will be coming to this thread for insight into how to outflank Boris in managing the pandemic. The polls have Boris crunching Captain Hindsight into the ground and I doubt erroneous pandemic management is going to swing it.

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86 local authorities out of 343 in England have at least 5 cases of the Indian variant.

2,323 confirmed cases of the Indian variant in the UK, a 77% increase in confirmed cases over the last five days.

Most people in hospital with the variant in those areas had been eligible for a vaccine but had chosen not to have it.

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I like the way they can tell us this much but not a precise figure on how many had been vaccinated (1 dose or 2) as a proportion of all hospitalisations.

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What metrics should they be using then, and why?[COLOR="Silver"]

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5, truly terrifying.

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Restrictions are necessary as soon as it can be projected that the NHS will be overwhelmed to delay that as much as possible. This can be reasonable done by measuring cases, rise in cases, proportion heading to hospital (within 2-3 weeks or so), proportions dying (3-6 weeks).

It’s exactly the same position we’ve been in since February 2020. As I’ve been repeating often since then the decision making that led to the first lockdown remains unless something materially changes.

We’ve introduced the vaccine to some degree of success. It rearranges the figures to some degree for now, but doesn’t change the underlying decision making process.

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If people cannot be persuaded to take the vaccine then what is the solution? Locking down the impacted areas in Greater Manchester and Lancashire or indeed the entire counties may sound drastic but it certainly sends a message out.

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Vaccine passports.

Straightforward risk management to support the vaccinated to return to their normal lives at the expense of those unwilling to vaccinate for the collective good.

Holidays is a good start. Large sports events and concerts. Very quickly the numbers of people willing to take a “principled stand” diminish. Once we push the Pfizer vaccine at 12-16 year olds that’ll help push us closer to population level immunity.

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Why do people quote mortality rates, they may look low, but not you lose a family member, in which case the 0.01% is no joke, or fear it's fact.

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Until one or more of them start blowing things up , because they're being treated differently:shrug:

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Tell the police to pretend they are women protesting their rights. That usually develops an appropriate show of force.

Or Irish carrying a table leg :sniper:

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Facts are facts. Personal experiences of loss are tragic, but emotions are not good decision making driver.

The rates may look low, because they are low, and when the impact to the minority, and it is a minority, starts dictating the actions and freedoms of the majority, that’s an issue.

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Or a Brazilian electrician.

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The Indian variant has come at quite possibly the most inconvenient time. Just as we're opening up but whilst we still have a lot of people to vaccinate.

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Well they appear to know for Bolton:
"In Bolton there are 18 people in hospital with coronavirus, with the majority of those not having the jab despite being eligible, the health secretary said.

He added that five people had ended up in hospital having had one jab, while there was one there who had received both doses but was 'frail'"

That's a worryingly high proportion (although we don't know when they had their jabs)

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Five, is a “worryingly” high proportion?

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a 3rd of those in hospital had been vaccinated at least once. So yes it is worrying

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That would be 6 people, very worrying. Probably not going to sleep tonight.

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Because you'll be in hearty forum discussions with Jaymoss and jfman instead? ;)

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Five being enough to indicate there is probably community transmission in these 86 regions, rather than just the odd person who has travelled. So those who think "just lock down Bolton and Blackburn - problem solved" need to think again.

Regions mapped out here

Considering these vaccines were previously touted as preventing 100% of hospitalisations, yes it is.

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This is the bit that seems to get lost on some every time. 6 hospitalisations isn’t high - nobody claims that figure is in it’s own right.

Off how many infections given they were likely infected two weeks ago is the rough estimate everyone is looking for. With that variant doubling every four days in some areas do hospitalisations follow in the next two weeks? Or, was it pure bad luck that these individuals got infected shortly after vaccination.

If it’s the former, despite vaccination, we are firmly into another lockdown territory. It’s only a matter of time until it spreads into more areas. If however vaccines have broken the link between the two figures - a doubling of cases only sees a 10% growth in hospitalisations - that is more manageable with other non-pharmaceutical interventions (masks, distancing, vaccine certificates). If one dose hasn’t broken the link but two has, or they both have to varying degree (either through time/second dose) that changes the dynamic again.

The proposal to sit back, wait and see what happens only triggering the alarm when hospitalisations is high leaves enough cases out there to keep adding pressure for weeks to come, and only drags the inevitable lockdown out longer as cases remain stubbornly high.

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State broadcaster puff piece alert:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-57150871

"Agonising" decision. If it's that agonising there's one decision to make and one only.

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Seems like the media are on a mission (Govt led? ) to ensure lock down continues for a while yet.

Rumours are that the timetables are now being finalised for the future roll-outs of the Moldovian, Icelandic, Madagascan, and Cricklewood variants.

Some ITK people even suggest the whole thing is a ruse developed by paper tissue manufacturers to increase sales of certain items, although this has been panned by critics ;)

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The number of cases is increasing, and that is with certain restrictions in place. Therefore easing up of restrictions would lead to even bigger increases, eg when they start having weddings etc with 100+ people from around the world.

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If the vaccinations are not effective, we are screwed. It is not sensible to keep having lockdowns when nothing works against the virus because yet another wave begins at the end of each lockdown, as experience tells us. Lockdowns simply put off the inevitable.

A lockdown can only be sensible if you are trying to slow the virus while a solution is rolled out (eg as in a vaccination programme). But if there is no solution, then there’s no point in such emergency measures.

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Netflix Nostradamus has found the crystal ball again.

A mere few posts ago you told us how vaccines can be modified in a matter of weeks.

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I said if vaccinations are not effective, which of course they are. You have a knack for getting hold of the wrong end of the stick.

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Good Sky News clip below showing how poor India's situation was when we continued to let travellers in from that country.
https://twitter.com/Femi_Sorry/statu...26068104028160

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Gosh . . Andrew posting a Tweet from an Anti Brexit person too :D

Who'd a thunk it eh :D

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You can't be that confident if you've offered up the suggestion they may not be.

60 million Pfizer doses for Autumn and a change in current dosing strategy tells me the Government knows something you don't.

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Just traditionally impossible to do trade deals with India. Protectionist and has 28 states each with their own set of rules. It will change in time.

I just hope Boris hasn't snatched defeat from the jaws of victory. Hopefully, the intensified vaccination programme in Bolton will help put us back on track.

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I'm afraid that stable door fell off long ago. See the Sanger link I posted last night (which is already 10 days out of date).

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The real value in throwing vaccines into the most prominent areas is to test the vaccine in the real world.

It's got virtually nothing to do with protecting the people there.

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What's the quickest way to test efficacy of all the vaccines, across all age groups and a range of underlying conditions?

You can wait around forever for a significant amount of infections in an area where the virus is under control. Or you can take it head on where it's rife and measure what decline (if any) arises

If the goal was reduce infections then local lockdown doesn't take a few weeks to deploy and a few weeks to take effect.

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Nothing in the real world.


But the anti-vaxers, Covid-19 deniers won't allow it without throwing their toys out of the pram

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I was thinking about this and was there anything to be said for the ring fencing approach used during smallpox eradication where it was 'all hands to the pump' to vaccinate everyone within a certain area of a smallpox infection. Obviously, it worked well as there's no smallpox any more.

However, there are a couple of reasons why this might not work;

• You have asymptomatic carriers going in and out of the area unlike smallpox where, if you were infectious, you REALLY knew it
• The motivation for getting inoculated against smallpox was pretty strong - you don't want smallpox
• Vaccination takes up to 14 days to work (smallpox was faster)

I think the only way ring fencing would work would be with compulsory quarantine and vaccination.

I saw a tweet earlier from Mark Easton at the BBC which said that only 13% of the population of Burnley worked from home compared with 71% for Richmond which goes some way to explain the rise in cases in some areas - https://twitter.com/BBCMarkEaston/st...18979514884096

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I did my first Covid-19 test today, I heard my sister laugh as I gagged when doing the tonsils, and she laughed again when I sneezed after doing it up the nose.


Of course, it came back negative.

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My second dose was due tomorrow, now put back a week due to "supply problems" (OAZ).

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That made the Figures at https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/uk/ go negative by 2065 new cases.

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Lots if you live in Bolton.

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Understatement of the week award.

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A local lockdown also helps protect people in that area.

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Erroneous assumption is that local lockdown is playing against opening up. In reality it's playing against national lockdown. Then again Pierre's proposed decision making tend to encourage those.

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Local lockdown German style :D

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-europe-57164317

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You do know that we are continuing to let people in from that country don't you, there has been 110 direct flights from India during the last three weeks alone

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Except that the vaccines will prevent another national lockdown.

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Hopefully. We should get some good data on efficacy vs variants (plus preventing hospitalisation and deaths) in the next few weeks.

You know, the type that doesn't require qualification on the Sunday mornings.

Words to look out for: think, expect, should, may. Also watch for people talking about their own confidence (personal opinion); against Covid (not variant specific) and vaccines in general (including the higher performing mRNA vaccines in their opinion).

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And anything you post;)









About the virus.

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I'm not a paid expert/apparatus of the British state ;)

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You'd almost think we were desperate for a deal. But they do have to isolate at a hotel and not at home where they previously mixed with their own. household

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Professor Pantsdown sees a "glimmer of hope" in the data.

Doesn't sound very scientific.

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But they are mixing at the airports before going into quarantine

https://inews.co.uk/news/green-red-l...-rules-1006937


https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/14...list-countries

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The people I'd like to see dealt with are those finding ways to return from "red list" counties and avoid restrictions in place. But that just illustrates a big problem our government has in that people try to work around guidelines thus needing longer and more strict rules.

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Found a big QR code for my vaccine status on the NHS App yesterday. There seems to be a travel section now. It's always had my vaccination status under my health record but this seems new (or I haven't spotted it before)

Definitely not a vaccine passport, no sir.

* disclaimer, very much in favour of having certified vaccine status so this is actually great

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It's inevitable to reopen the economy fully. Otherwise we remain in phased restrictions for longer.

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It will be interesting to see how Nippy decides to spin it in Scotland, and how it is eventually implemented, seeing as we don't have the same sort of NHS app here as down south.

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You mean . . no vaccine passport = no work?

Best of luck managing the legislation that prevents anyone without a 'vaccine passport' from attending a work place they're contracted to. :p:

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El gov wouldn't have to interfere in workplaces. Controlling access to public services like transport and consumer access to non-essential hospitality and leisure would cause enough inconvenience to make most people reassess their principles with regards to vaccine refusal.

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He’s not a scientist.

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Even with hospital admissions remaining flat?

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jfman is the voice of doom.:D

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What about traveling to work using said services? Would this prevent me from attending work until I got a vaccine passport?

And what then would my employment status be? Sick, Furloughed?, Sacked?

Is there a case for discrimination? (over to you Richard lol) or similar claim where my 'right to work' is compromised?

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It's a toughie making workplace vaccination compulsory - it has never really been tested in the UK properly. Vaccination is part of my employment contract but that is because I visit customers abroad whose sites make vaccination against measles and hepatitis compulsory for entry. If I wasn't vaccinated, I couldn't work at those sites so, in a sense, vaccination is a requirement for my job. I would not be surprised if at some point, COVID vaccines will be required by some of my customers so therefore, will be necessary for my work.

Hey, it's like I need to have a passport and driving licence. If I refused to have one or the other, I would be able to work either.

You could argue that vaccination is needed under health and safety rules. In healthcare settings, COVID 19 is a notifiable disease under UK rules (RIDDOR) so vaccination is a potential route to reduce this type of 'workplace injury'.

There's always likely to be a point where the Human Rights protections will take up precedence for those who decline vaccinations for religious or other protected characteristics.

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I'd suspect employers will offer new contracts with new terms the stipulation being that unless medically exempt (and you can provide proof) you must have had your jabs (and again provide proof) otherwise you're basically doing yourself out of a job. See ya.....

potential legal minefield.

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He is.

They won't stay flat by themselves.

If you want to make the claim the Government won't introduce some kind of Covid certification for domestic events then knock yourself out. We can add it to the list once you are proven wrong.

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Follow the science, the plughole is large enough :D

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It is for those already employed as making vaccination mandatory would be a change of contract. That would open the door for discrimination claims if sacked for not being vaccinated. It would be a minefield unless the Gov made vaccinations compulsory but I doubt that would happen or if necessary cinsidering the success of the roll out so far, notwithstanding the resistance of certain communities so far.

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Yup, agreed. Whilst a handful of passenger journeys from India may well be essential, I don't think that the number of flights reflects this.

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Just been watching the Matt Hancock live feed and he said that ....The analysis of waste water to identify areas of concern peaked my interest. I have to admit that I didn't know about this testing option. If anyone else is in the same boat here's a link that explains how an idea from earlier last year has become a reality.

We’re the poo crew’: sleuths test for Covid by reading signs in sewage

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Sounds like a lot of shite.

On a serious note there's been instances of US colleges analysing waste from different dormitories/halls to target testing to identify cases.

https://www.npr.org/2020/10/26/92583...=1621441983564

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I'm gonna start bottling mine and dump it in Hull :D

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I do seem to remember, in the deep dark depths of my memories from the 70's something about a similar testing technique in connection with LSD.

From my link I liked the comment .......... and suspect that it will be an image that lingers in my brain for some time. :D