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I wouldn't at all be surprised if someone like Comcast came in for Discovery to boost its offering in factual and sport across Europe with Eurosport.

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Not beyond the realms of possibility, I guess.

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As Horizon correctly points out, hundreds of media companies in the USA whittled down so each market is dominated by a small number of key players. So from the list I compiled I’d imagine the smaller players will find themselves gobbled up or merging into the more successful operators.

Of course, this reflects a reduction of competition, not an increase.

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Completely agree , the article below says similar.
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/09/24/disc...ia%20companies

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Bad news for subscribers who will have to fund the acquisitions at inflated prices no doubt as the bidding war escalates.

Interestingly for the prospective economists of the forum this is something that wouldn’t happen in a perfectly competitive market. A large number of sellers, and low barriers for new entrants, would make such actions futile.

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You know this as a fact then?

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There’s no magic money tree.

If company A buys company B for $Xbn, it’s not because they’ve a few bob burning a hole in their pocket. It’s an investment, and that means a return has to come from the customers in the medium/long term. In an oligopoly the pricing trend is upwards, not downwards as in perfect competition. Hence the returns make such acquisitions more viable.

Ask your average Manchester United season ticket holder who funded the Glazer takeover in reality.

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The Netflix app has now been updated on the older TiVo box to match the V6 version.

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More info on Disney+

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-47904958

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I've been informed, by someone who subscribes, that "about 80% of what was announced last night" for the Disney+ app is already in the existing UK service Disney Life.

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No pricing on the UK model yet though.

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To be honest it's not something I'll be bothering with I've just looked and there's nothing gripping me.

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Oh dear.

Grab market share and hike the price seems to be the predictable strategy.

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As part of my Sky package I enjoy bits of Disney Shows/Movies but on its own it's streaming service just doesn't seem a must have.

You have to ask as well how many will dip in and out when there's a new Star Wars or something on.

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Quite a few l would say given the Star Wars fanbase plus one suspects people will also look for the very likely cheap offers near the time of when the film is available to watch.

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The content discussed in the article is just one strand of the Disney+ service, and I will not be subscribing to that because it will not contain the sort of material my wife and I watch.

The other two strands are ESPN Sport and Hulu. So not being followers of any sport, it is just the Hulu strand that would interest us, and we would certainly want to subscribe to that.

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So what’s the exhaustive list of known (and proposed) streaming services in the USA:

Netflix
Amazon
HBO
Disney+
ESPN
Hulu
Hayu
DAZN
Apple TV
DC Universe
Direct TV Now
WWE Network
UFC
F1
All the major sports NFL, NBA, NHL offer something.

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And the rest! For example:

https://flixed.io/complete-list-streaming-services/

People over here worry when they consider that one or two additional streaming services may be coming, but actually we have a very limited choice in the UK at the moment.

Ultimately, there will be lots to choose from and people will be able to choose the ones that best suit them. Very few will choose to subscribe to them all!

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I suspected as much. Better have deep pockets to maintain a comprehensive choice of viewing equivalent to that available now through Sky/Virgin. It doesn't take many £6s to add up to the basic package prices as it is.

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What exactly is ESPN going to be showing in the UK they left this market a long while ago. BT Sport now has a deal to show ESPN content and has a channel named accordingly.

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No, that's just silly. There is far more choice available on the streaming services. It would be pointless subscribing to all of them because you would never be able to get through it all.

I have a considerable watch list as it is with just Netflix and Amazon, so why would I want to add another half a dozen streaming services to that?

I would consider adding the Disney+ Hulu service and maybe Starzplay, but that would be it.

If Discovery offered a service with good content on it I might go for that but ditch Starzplay (I would probably have seen all I want to from their more limited content by then anyway).

Most people will just choose the services that are relevant to them. They will have a huge choice for less than they are currently paying for pay TV, and don't forget that quite a few AVOD services will also be available without subscription.

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It may be that Disney will let the existing deal with BT run its course before offering the service, but just guessing to be honest.

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It's not really the point that you couldn't watch it all, I could never watch all of the content on 250 channels, but it's reducing the choice available and increasing the cost if the content someone would want to watch ends up across four or five different platforms.

If I go into work on Monday and someone raves about something they saw over the weekend I'll probably have access to it. In the future there's less chance.

"Oh, sorry, only three of the six streaming services I pay £30 a month for match up with your selection and I don't have that one."

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That's not how it will work in practice, though. If you hear about a programme you particularly want to watch, you can dip into the service that provides it. There will not be any annual or 18 month contracts, so you can chop and change as much as you like.

Incidentally, I should also say that Britbox will give you a pretty comprehensive choice over multiple genres. Netflix is also getting into natural history programmes and documentaries to supplement its films and scripted dramas.

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None of these companies are building business models where they realistically expect customers to subscribe for 2/3 months per year.

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Britbox in my view is highly likely to bomb out given the 80lb gorillas it will have to face as it has come to the party far too late when the horses has already bolted.

Add to that the complexities of content deals already done with other streaming companies by the Britbox players and the different distribution windows the main Britbox players want as well and the recipe is there for it to bomb out pretty quickly IMO.

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Disney prepares to strike back at Netflix...

https://www.theguardian.com/film/201...s-episode-nine

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That’s a lot of hyperbole. Netflix may have a lot of old box sets and a few good films available but those who stick with their subscription do so because of their original content. Netflix knows this and is chucking millions at it.

Locally, most Marvel Studios content has never been available on Netflix UK, even though it has been available in the US. The TV spin offs mentioned in the article were commissioned by Netflix so it’s doubtful Disney could pull them even if it wanted to.

You can only get so much value out of a movie. What keeps subscribers coming back is TV serials and at the moment Disney has next to no heritage of producing TV material other than kids stuff, which is exactly what they don’t want to do if they want to compete with Netflix. What they are going to have to do is get Marvel and Lucasfilm turning out original series content for them, aimed at older teens and adults, which poses its own problems because Lucasfilm doesn’t know how and Marvel has previously only done TV with production partners such as Netflix or ABC. Whether or not they can steer their own productions process from start to finish without outside help remains to be seen.

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Spot on, Chris

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Disney own ABC and have done for a very long time, so they have have a long history of non-kids television production.

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And yet that's exactly what some people do now. As subscriptions are not tied to one year contracts, clearly their business models do allow for people to dip in and out as they wish.

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I don't buy it, Den. Netflix now has plenty of original material on it and that is certainly all I ever watch, apart from the occasional film.

I don't pay good money for the purpose of watching repeats, and judging by the amount of criticism the BBC has received over the years for the number of repeats it shows, I would imagine many people agree with me.

Those who like watching repeats need look no further than the UKTV channels.

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There’s a difference between building a business model around it and a small proportion of subscribers doing something.

Netflix are going to have a hard time paying their debt mountain, something like $200 per subscriber, if the average subscriber is only taking the service for 2-3 months a year. The bread and butter of all these businesses is all year round subscriptions.

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Incidentally ... while I stand by my view that broadcast TV will still be alive and kicking 10 years from now, personally I’ve not watched a minute of broadcast TV in the last several months now. I’m entirely consumed by Netflix and Amazon Prime, the latter in particular at the moment because they’ve just released a ton of box sets of stuff I’ve never seen but have long wanted to. I’ve binged my way right through SHIELD, I’m working on Arrow, BSG and Farscape, and the family’s all watching Glee. Back on Netflix I’m working my way through The Umbrella Academy and my watch list is as long as my arm but none of it is child friendly so my viewing hours are limited. :D

Ironically it’s my kids who turn the Freesat box on... when they have nothing particular in mind they still turn to CBBC.

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I do agree that once you get into Netflix and Amazon, it draws you in!

Although my 8 year old grandson does still watch live TV such as Nikelodeon, he does more often go to Netflix, and in fact Netflix is practically all the 13 year old will watch.

Our youngest, at 4, is either watching DVDs or Netflix most of the time, as well as some kids' stuff on the Roku!

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To be honest, most people do not change subscriptions all the time, but a minority do. I think most people will subscribe to a small number of services that meet their needs.

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Has anyone ever had a discounted deal from Netflix when trying to cancel? I've not heard of anything so it is more impressive that their subscriber base is so high before they've even offered discounts.

Apart from the 30 day new customer trial, they do not give much away. The best I got was a 12 month free offer with a mobile phone contract last year.

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That maybe the case when Disney and others have launched their services all across the globe, but that's years away. Netflix still has the field largely to itself for the next few years and will have added millions more full paying subs in that time to bring that debt down.

Netflix latest results are tomorrow, so we'll see what growth they've had.

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AT&T have sold their Hulu stake back to Hulu. Be interesting to see whether Comcast holds on to its 30% stake now, or whether it sells to Disney giving them 100% control.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-a...mpression=true

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Anyone else had the continuous circle of death with the Netflix app over the last few days. Have to reboot to fix it.

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Its fine with us cupcakes.

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https://www.techradar.com/news/youtu...le-make-amends

An agreement at last.

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Fallout's don't achieve nothing in the end.

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How are you accessing Netflix, cupcakes? Through a V6, TiVo box, smart TV, Roku stick, Amazon Fire stick or what? And have you tried a re-boot?

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Virgin Media to launch Amazon Prime app.

https://www.libertyglobal.com/wp-con...ith-Amazon.pdf

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/ne...-video-1203961

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This is good if people don't have the app installed on their TV or another means of using it.

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Certainly a step in the right direction, IMO.

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Might entice me - should be worth it for The Grand Tour alone.

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Unlimited photo storage is great too.

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Another plus I missed - thanks for the heads up. :)

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Indeed it is excellent news which l am sure will be welcomed by certain forum members.;)

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It's good anyway, regardless. Once it appears we will be able to search and bookmark from one box. How good is that?

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I will probably still use my TV app as i expect it to be far quicker.

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If you have a TiVo, you could be right, but Netflix is as fast as any other gadget I've come across on my V6.

Prime should be with us by the summer, apparently.

https://www.broadbandtvnews.com/2019...ime-video-app/

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Does the Amazon app on Youview give you access to the latest films via PPV ?

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Quicker and easier to go to the app on my TV than through a V6.

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Netflix on the V6 is very quick on our box.

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I don't see how. Surely, you need more than three clicks for your smart TV - one for 'Home', a couple (or more) clicks of your up/down or across buttons, and a click over the app itself to get to the app.

On the V6, a click on Home, a click on Apps & Games, a click on Favourites and a click on the app.

Each click gets a pretty instantaneous response, at least in my experience.

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Why would i want to turn the V6 on when it takes me about 3-5 seconds to click the Prime app on the TV which is about 2 clicks on the same button area and i could easily do it with my eyes closed.

I'm not saying i wouldn't use it but at the moment the apps on my TV are still modern and instant and i don't have to go into different menus to see the apps.

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Quicker than using it from your TV?

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It’s currently a single button press on my TV’s remote to access the Amazon app but when it comes to V6 it will hopefully be integrated into series link so a single press from My Shows to get to a program.

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Just as quick l would say as we have used both and they are both pretty instantaneous.

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Yes it does and amazon channels

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So you turn off your V6? Why? We keep ours on all the time.

No wonder you say it takes longer!

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Yes, of course. I was forgetting that some remotes have a Netflix and Amazon button.

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Why would i want to have it powered on fully when i am not using it, that is pointless and costs money, you don't leave all your lights on in your house 24/7 do you? lol

Besides it is still far easier to access the app on my TV than on a V6 so that point is mute.

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Thanks Chad can you actually purchase a movie through it as well.

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I can see two reasons, one for each side, why Netflix would be quicker on both.

Firstly, I have a low-end model Smart TV from between 1 and 2 years old. The remote that came with said TV has a dedicated Netflix button. So, in theory, I'd imagine that would be the quickest method.

However. 99% of the time the only remote that gets used is the V6/Tivo remote. I use the physical button on the TV to switch it on, and off when I'm finished, and the V6 remote is all I need the rest of the time. The remote that came bundled with the TV only gets used when I need to switch video sources for gaming or a DVD. So if I wanted to use the TV's Netflix app I'd have to stand up, walk across the room, pick it up, return to me seat, and that takes time.

Ever since I got Pay TV the bundled remote controls just sit there unused. Even most of the Freeview/Freesat screens in the house use remotes other than the TV-bundled remote.

I put the main TV on roughly the same time as I bring the V6 out of standby. The time the V6 takes to get out of standby is minimal. So for me I don't see why the V6 would be off and that time doesn't get factored into the equation for me.

Everyone's set-up is different though.

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Well, if you leave it powered on, it will be easily accessible. I don't think the money spent in powering the V6 is going to make a noticeable difference to my power bill, to be honest.

Anyway, each to his own I suppose.

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You maybe able to setup the V6 to turn your TV on and off and change sources.

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Not as quick as from my TV and i would rather the estimated £30 saving from leaving it off stays in my bank account.

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I suppose a "quick click" is out of the question? :D

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If the V6 was able to switch the TV "on" then it wasn't properly off. Unless I have to press a physical button the TV is in standby as far as I'm concerned. I don't like leaving electricals in standby unless there is some good reason.

Our V6 gets left in standby as we fairly regularly record at all sorts of times of day/night, and booting the V6 from off takes 3-5 minutes (a guess), whereas even in super eco low power mode it comes on extremely quickly.

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Would you really save £30 by having it switched off? Surely having to boot it up every day would cost quite a bit too? :confused:

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Yep thats why its going to be very good on the v6. very quick and more importantly built into the tivo search so you can go straight into programs rather than clicking about on your tv remote going through pages to find a show.

Much better! Much faster than tv!

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The search facility is a great option as we use it all the time.

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Well it would be in standby and not fully on, i can't see the point on leaving it on fully if not being used, just the same as someone wouldn't leave all the lights on in their house 24/7.

We're kind of off topic now but i was just saying it is far easier to currently access any TV app from my TV, but if there are other benefits of using it from the TV like Search then that may be a good thing.

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More to the question why would you leave the box on if your not using it ? I agree with SnoopZ our box always goes into standby when we are not watching.

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The wording SnoopZ used earlier in the discussion thread gave the impression they switched the box off at the wall rather than leaving it in standby. I think several of us understood it as that and so responded accordingly.

When someone says they switch something off I assume they don't mean standby, as that isn't off, it needs power to run the systems to respond to the remote.

V6s don't have an off button, except for the wall plug.

I agree you shouldn't leave things on if you aren't using them. If you forget most TVs and set-top boxes will separately switch themselves into standby if you l leave them for a set period (it's often 4 hours without input).

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Apologies for any confusion caused as when i normally say off i mean into Standby with Tvs and Boxes.

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V6 does have an off button - rocker switch, back, lower left.

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I completely forgot about that. :D

Not seen it since I self-installed.

Because of the way PVRs work, the time the Tivo and V6 take to boot up and the TV habits of this household it's one of few electronic devices I'm fine will leaving in standby.

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Yes you can. Venom, Mary Poppins Returns and the latest Johnny English are available to rent along with hundreds more

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I'll be surprised if you can access PPV movies through the V6 app when it launches. I think it will be Prime shows/movies only.

VM only launched their own store last year I believe, I doubt they'd accept competition on their own box.

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They already do accept competition on their own box. I regularly notice when I search for programmes on the V6 that I can access some selections either on Netflix with no extra charge or through the store on a PPV basis.

I have not seen any indication that we will not also be getting Amazon's PPV programming with the app, although I've not seen anything that says we will either.

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Virgin Media don't own Virgin Movies/VM Store. It's owned by Vubiquity (part of Amdocs).

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Yes, I see your point regarding the Netflix option when searching although Netflix do not do PPV so there is a difference. VM have to cater for all, if you do not have a Netflix sub then there is a PPV option with VM

I'm thinking more about the latest movie releases, that's the direct competition they wont be happy about.

Just my opinion, we'll just have to wait and see if we get a low or full fat version of the Amazon app

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Did you see my previous post?

People used to often post the same thing as a reason that we would never get Netflix. They were wrong, too. :)

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Maybe not. Netflix material is free after paying the subscription, and people with Netflix will clearly go for there rather than the same title with PPV on Virgin Store. So it is a similar predicament in that sense. Netflix draws viewers away from Virgin Store.

However, the store will be used by non-Netflix subscriners.

And as spiderplant says, the store is not owned by VM, so there is no conflict that impacts on them

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I wasn't aware VM didn't own the VM store (Thanks Spiderplant) but I think that makes the situation worse! VM will risk upsetting a business partner if they allow Amazon PPV.

Of course we're not privy to contracts so for all we know the guys that own VM Store only signed PPV exclusivity for a set period of time.

If Amazon PPV does indeed arrive it would be interesting if there is any 'price fixing' ;)

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I suspect a high percentage of people who use Virgin Movies do so to watch new movies something Netflix defo don't have the exception being its own original movies which are nothing to write home about.

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Good point about Netflix not offering new studio movies.

Not sure I agree with your impression of Netflix movies, though. I've only seen a small number of these so far as I tend to concentrate more on the Netflix original series, but those I've seen have been good.

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I think anyone can show stuff on a PPV basis, can't they? That's how Virgin Store can offer Game of Thrones.

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Comcast is in talks to sell its 30% stake in Hulu to Disney

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/04/25/comc...to-disney.html

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Seeing they never had much control over it its probably the wise decision to sell it at the right price of course.

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Those who thought that Netflix would be carrying advertisements in the future may be proved right.

https://advanced-television.com/2019...uiting-ad-men/

I don't mind as long as the paid-for version remains ad-free. It would certainly make the service more inclusive.

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A not very innovative way to pay off $20bn of debt.

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jfman, if they put advertisements on the Netflix version we currently pay for, they will lose a lot of subscribers. I, for one, a great admirer of Netflix, would no longer subscribe. I simply will not sit through a load of unskippable advertisements in order to watch the programmes I want to see. There are many like minded people out there who would resent advertisement intrusion and would seek the programmes they want to see by alternative means, and piracy would increase. This is not the way to go.

A no-sub (or lower sub) option with ads and less free content will bring in a lot more money for Netflix than they are raising now and surely must be a viable option for Netflix.

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You might not sit through them but you may have no choice to see the key interesting content that you want to see. After all, you are the one telling us there’s virtually nothing worthwhile on linear television.

Netflix aren’t harvesting all the data on your household viewing habits just to make suggestions. The obvious step is targeted advertising on the platform.

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Adding millions more subscriptions every year, is though.

Yep. They'll all be at it soon. The market is worth an absolute fortune.

Without taking the thread too off topic, people don't seem to realise what all these tech companies like Google, Amazon, Apple etc are all about. It's about collecting as much data as they possibly can on people, then monetising that.

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If you can’t see the product they’re selling, you’re the product...

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It seems like OB has finally had one of those light bulb moments.:D

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Don't worry there is more to come.:D

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I think they would soon change their minds if huge numbers abandoned a streaming service that started to ram commercials down our throats. A subscription option with no ads is the only service I would subscribe to.

As I said originally, there is no reason why an option to view free of charge (or at a lower cost) without adverts cannot be made available alongside the existing service.

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But I thought it was the high quality content, not available on linear television, you were after?

If (or rather, when) they all do it the consumer will not have a choice. No-one will be able to develop the breadth of content on offer without that money. Advertisers need to push their products, and in different ways, streaming will not be immune to it.

It’ll start subtle - a brief advert before your programme - before it ramps up.

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A little correction here! I meant to say:

'..there is no reason why an option to view free of charge (or at a lower cost) with adverts cannot be made available alongside the existing service.'

Sorry about that!

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I think you must be misunderstanding me as I don't see how your point applies to what I have said.

It is of couse high quality content I want, but I don't want it interrupted by ads.

The principle I am putting forward is the same as ITV and Channel 4 have adopted. The catch-up service is offered free of charge with advertising or by subscription with an enhanced selection and no ads.

In both scenarios, the streamers get income, either through subscriptions or through commercials. Everyone wins.

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Except advertisers. Your proposal only offers them access to a 'lower quality' subscriber, likely to have less disposable income - a key desirable demographic will be absent.

Streamers will get more in total from advertisers and subscribers by adopting both in the same model. They understand so much more about their viewer base - not just what they watch but when they watch it - so they can offer targeted advertising in a much more sophisticated way.

The premium they can charge for advertising is for the paying customers, not the 'will take something if it's free' consumer.

Being the one, or one of two, put in front of a programme will attract an even higher price premium at relatively minor inconvenience to the subscriber. They could perhaps see 8 ads in an evening, but from advertisers trying really hard to get to them.

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Not all high earners subscribe to Netflix and probably less would do so if they had to sit through hours of mindless adverts. They would lose custom like mine and the advertisers wouldn't gain one iota from the likes of me.

YouTube seem to be doing all right, attracting a higher proportion of young upwardly mobile viewers.