Re: Theresa May must resign
 

Or perhaps, just perhaps, it is complex and it’s easier to try and blame "others" than accept that complexity...

Re: Brexit
 

That promise was wrong then and it's wrong now. So people may have had a lot of information... but how correct was it?
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics...deal-happened/

Re: Brexit
 

That extra 10% won't go to Porsche or the EU, it will go to the UK Treasury.

Re: Theresa May must resign
 

That's certainly the playbook of Lord Digby-Jones. Loved the response of one Twitter user to it "Is that plan similar to my plan to win an Olympic 100m gold medal, which requires everyone else to stand still and let me win?"
https://twitter.com/Digbylj/status/1095234163379261440

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That might have been because they were told to regard such advices as "Project Fear" and to ignore it.

Re: Brexit
 

... if, and only if, HMG decides to slap tariffs on car imports, which it would be under no obligation to do.

The EU’s common external tariff on vehicles is 10%. But we are leaving the customs union for the exact purpose of no longer having to follow EU customs rules.

Unlike the good old days of British Leyland, we don’t have an indigenous car manufacturing base that relies on domestic sales and is vulnerable to imports. By and large, vehicles are manufactured in the UK by foreign companies as part of a broader international strategy. Zero-rating duty on car imports would not harm those operations and in fact by encouraging reciprocal arrangements would probably help them.

On the morning of 30 March, if there is No Deal, we will be free to design our own customs rules for cars which support our own transport and/or environmental strategy. Or, to help mitigate the short-term economic shock of No Deal, we could just slash tariffs on just about everything.

We will have sovereign control over our affairs and that’s the whole point of Brexit.

Re: Brexit
 

Similar taxes will be applied to British-built Nissans being exported to the EU in the event of no-deal. When prices rise, demand tends to fall.

Re: Theresa May must resign
 

People also forget, Article 50 was triggered when there was a Tory Majority government, with seemingly not even a sketch of a plan for Brexit.

Then one election later, we have a minority Tory government propped up by bribing the DUP into a confidence & supply arrangement, seemingly hell bent on leaving. May being so controlling over the process, parliament were issued with almost a fait accompli that they could not support.

So we are seemingly hanging over a precipice of a No Deal Brexit, which for some reason the hard Leavers are bizarrely claiming "every one of the 17.4 million voted for".

We this is not what I voted for when I voted Leave, and have definitely changed my mind.

Re: Brexit
 

No because it's wrong and a stupid statement, according to your analogy I'd love the EU if I were married to it, when quite the opposite is true, I'm no fan at all, never have been.

Re: Theresa May must resign
 

Stop using terms “Hard leavers”, there is no such thing. Follow first post rules or stay out of this thread !!!

No need to keep repeating yourself that you are, a few handful of people who did not know meaning leaving the EU, meant exactly that. :rolleyes:

While you go on about there being a minority government, there has been several Amendment votes on extending A50, every vote lost. Cooper/Boles - Grieve Amendment. etc.

Re: Theresa May must resign
 

She was persuaded she could increase her majority which would assist her with Brexit. Yes, she agreed to it, for very good reason, but it seemed like a good strategy at the time. It should be clear to you the difficulties in getting Brexit through Parliament with insufficient votes.

The social care issue scuppered the plan, unfortunately.

Re: Theresa May must resign
 

You've gone from none at all to a few, I suspect the number is far greater, in fact I'd bet there is a greater number who didn't know what leaving the eu would entail than did and who can blame them, no one campaigned to leave without a deal, we were told we'd get a better deal than the one we had, it's probably why people split the leave group into moderates who want a deal and hard liners who don't.

Re: Theresa May must resign
 

No such thing as a hardliner. If you voted to leave the EU and we leave it in it's entirety, then you're just a leaver. No hard, no extremes about it whatsoever. If you leave your car, you don't leave it hard, you just leave it, if you leave your house, you don't leave it hard, you just leave it.

No - I stand by that the "few people" might as well be none at all.

Who knows - who cares?

All irrelevant, we had a referendum, one of the largest Democratic processes in modern British history - there is no new information, except blatant scaremongering.

Re: Theresa May must resign
 

:tu:

Re: Brexit
 

LBC is covering the departure from Labour of 7 MPs, disaffected with Labour’s position on the EU and anti-semitism.

I don’t think this is going to alter much in the bigger picture because the Brexit vote was about change whereas on Brexit this lot are forvRemain.

But it’s good to see Corbyn being taken apart for the Marxist anti-Semite that he is.

Re: Theresa May must resign
 

Here we go again the leavers didn't know what they were voting for! P-lease, don't you ever give up? When I voted in the referendum, I used all my cognitive skills to work out that leaving the EU actually meant leaving.

I presume you did realise that a vote to stay in the EU meant staying?

Let us stop this nonsense and accept that most people did understand what they were voting for. The fact is, we voted to leave in the biggest voter turnout ever. This debate would be more productive if we put these old insults to bed and started figuring out how to make the best of Brexit. It's going to happen, like it or not, because that is the democratic will of the people.