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Ireland would be unable to make up any gap. Basically they would be well and truly stuffed.
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Alas not unfounded. you can check the tariffs out for yourself. https://www.check-future-uk-trade-ta...=lamb&n=25&p=1

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Not as stuffed as us.

Its the delight Brexiteers take in the damage it might do to other countries that is pitiful.

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Your claim was:-
We can make imported foods cheaper, if we so wish. Just as Japan has no tariffs on imported sheep meat.

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Cheaper than the no tariffs we have with the EU at present?

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Project ̶F̶e̶a̶r̶ Reality
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cornwall-55279468

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The "delight" is from the Irish and the Remain supporters. It is they who all along have constantly promoted the idea that the UK will simply roll over and give in.


The claim was made that the EU would be able to make up any gap.

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The original claim that I replied to, was about the cost with tariffs, not without.

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How much of the EU money went on one-off projects? Eg The Eden project.
The bulk of "EU money" spent in the actually comes from the UK, because of the way the EU rebate works. It is knocked off the starting figure for the rebate, so than means an absolute minimum of 66% of the "EU money" has come from the UK. Eg if £300m is spent by the EU in the UK, then the rebate is reduced by £200m.
The money for Cornwall comes from various "pots", not just the one listed.
We're not going to simply hand over the sort of money for big projects without checking them out etc. It's not meant to be a blank cheque to spend on whatever they want.

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All of these scenarios assume no intervention by the EU who, presumably on the brink of collapse because of a change in their fish diet, would throw everything at keeping it together.

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So yet another could be type article being classed as reality. :rolleyes:

Are we surprised that a labour councillor is making anti-government noises......

It's the delight some people take in hoping that everything Brexit related fails that is pitiful. ;)

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All largely irrelevant. That reduction will weaken the prosperity of the people of Cornwall, one of the country's poorest regions.

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This is about the government not keeping its promises to the electorate. Something which shouldn't be brushed under the carpet.

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I'm sure Ireland like the UK has plans for flying in medicines if there's port delays. A new direct ferry service to Europe should also help matters.
https://www.dfds.com/en/about/media/...ce-ferry-route

Ireland like the UK will suffer from no-deal. But it will be helped by the EU. We will apparently bailing out our industries too by adding to our country's massive debt mountain.
https://storify.com/services/proxy/2...809601_001.png

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Every now and then I used to drop into this thread to see how it was going, but before I ever clicked the link I knew exactly what I would find. Page after page of the same arguments, negativity with a sadistic undertone.

The thing I really don't understand (maybe you need a mind of a sadist to understand?) is how you can literally only ever write so negatively. Even people who find themselves in bad situations are able to find positivity.
To actively only ever look for bad news, whether to prove something or catch someone out must take it's toll eventually... Surely it can't be healthy?

This year, what with the pandemic and everything else, I realised I was paying way too much attention to news. I couldn't just read the news headlines or articles. I had to read the comments, look for the ones that were aligned with my thinking or look for the unaligned comments to be outraged. It was becoming a little obsessive.
I decided to start decluttering my life with noise and negativity (this pandemic didn't help). Many of the little things like social media/news/forums take their toll and build up and unfortunately this forum was included in the list.
I wish you all well, and whatever way brexit happens, I am sure you will all move on and realise there is more to life :)

Peace!

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What reduction? There are several sources of government funding, just as there were several sources of EU funding. They seem to be expecting to simply be given a lump sum to do with as they please.

If they are so poverty stricken after all the money that has poured in, that clearly demonstrates that pouring more money in won't achieve anything. Nothing big in the way of industry could operate there because of the geography of the county.



Stena Line offers 28 daily sailings from UK to Ireland, Irish Ferries 6 sailings, against 7 ferry crossings per WEEK from France to Ireland, taking 18hrs or more each way. Bit of a difference.

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There’s a number of very good reasons why direct ferry services between France and Ireland are so underdeveloped. Among them, there’s no time advantage because you land in Cherbourg and then have to drive across northern France to get to most European destinations. I suspect Irish freight headed for Spain or Portugal is already using the Dublin-Cherbourg route. These would be the only destinations for which it’s an advantage. Notwithstanding the new service DFDS is putting on I suspect there are far too few vessels suitable for a long route that could be brought into service any time soon. Plus, the major kicker, a lot of HGVs coming through the UK from Ireland will be dropping stuff off here before going on to the continent, and vice versa. It would be a major logistical headache for Irish pallet delivery companies to totally reorganise their businesses to avoid the UK unless essential, especially as the vast bulk of Irish exports go to the UK.

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Bigger picture time, peeps. I predict that the talks will go past Christmas.

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Just remind us who you are ;)

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Ed silly bland is frothing at the mouth on the Andrew marr show,i think he's upset about the negotiations, should be wearing a spit mask imo.

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The government promised no reduction in funding. 5% of a previous funding seems to be a reduction in my book. Whether you agree that Cornwall should receive this funding is irrelevant. A promise is a promise. Where has Cornwall asked for a lump sum to do with as they please?

My point was that a new Ireland to France service has been established, so DFDS must think there's demand there and it can be used for priority traffic like medicines.

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Did the EU simply hand over a lump sum to Cornwall, or was it piecemeal for each project? You can't look at one figure in isolation as being the total figure.


It not just medicines and not just stuff from the EU.

Can refrigerated and freezer lorries cope without the engines running for 18hrs or more?

Are Ireland's petrol and diesel requirements going to be able to be met from the EU? If not, then Ireland is going to face large increases in energy costs.
Irish Mirror

That's big increases on basics.

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I think you're consoling yourself into thinking that Brexit is a win-lose situation. Everyone loses, particularly the UK and Ireland. But Ireland facing significant financial impact as a result of no-deal doesn't mean that it can compel the UK to change its negotiating position. I acknowledge that Ireland usually punches above its weight diplomatically. But making BoJo chose Ireland over the ERG is a big ask. Ireland can influence the EU side and am sure it's doing its best here.

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It'll go into the New Year. By then we'll be on our knees and begging for any type of deal. It'd be on worse terms than any we're currently being offered, as we'll be in such a weak position.

Shame Boris isn't a bookie really. He said the chances of no deal.were a million to one. If only we'd all put a quid on with him...

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You should go to your allotment and have a good sulk in solitude, your misery is becoming infectious.

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It's precisely that mentality that is causing the problems. Encouraging the EU to wait until we roll over and give in.

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Don't worry mate, I've got all my fine wines and cheeses in for the festive period. I'm afraid some home delivery customers might be disappointed in coming weeks when theirs have been subbed with brussels sprouts... We"re self sufficient in those so take some comfort ;)

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No offence to Cable Forum here. But why would a post on a forum focused around UK cable TV encourage the EU to wait until the UK negotiating team rolls over? :confused:

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I can always go to the beach and catch some fish apparently there's enough to feed all of the EU and the UK out there;)

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I referred to "that mentality" not "that post".:rolleyes:

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Do you think that the UK and EU negotiators read Cable Forum, agree with Mr K's post, and then negotiate accordingly? Trying to generalise it as a mentality without an iota of supporting evidence doesn't cut the mustard. French or English.

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If someone thinks that a post on Cable Forum somehow reflects the mentality of the country and that the EU would even be bothered if it did reflect the mentality of the country cannot be repudiated by valid arguments.

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The deadlines been extended., now there's a surprise ! It will keep being extended as no deal is not an option. Our bluff has been called again and again.

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Good news - surely won't be no deal now.

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It's good news that the good will still exists, however they could hardly have not agreed to keep talking, could they? How would that have looked? Some of you arch remainer usual suspects on here would have had an absolute field day.

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It's an example the wider mentality that pervades. To deny that is quite ridiculous, along with the notion that the EU hasn't constantly been given the impression by people with that sort of mentality, that the UK might give in, if the EU holds out. Why else do you think the EU(ie France and Germany) came up with new demands that went against the Political Declaration.



So nobody whatsoever has tried desperately tried to block Brexit?:confused:

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We should have walked away a long time ago, until they ended their ridiculous new demands. Nothing can happen until the EU gives up on those demands.

If the EU was even remotely interested in getting a reasonable deal, then one could easily have been found, but no, they had to be difficult and awkward.

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They’re sounding more positive. Looks like the EU have moved a tad on the level playing field

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Are you suggesting it's all choreographed and there was no plan to stop talking? I don't discount that theory, people will read no-deal horror stories in the Sunday newspapers today and will be happier with whatever deal the EU and BoJo sign up to than if the likelihood of no-deal and its implications hadn't been suggested as a strong possibility.

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I suspect the coastal states are now genuinely worried about fishing. Deploying the Royal Navy and then getting senior Tory backbenchers to object was a master stroke which made the threat look credible. Once the EU understands that we are actually ready to walk away, they might begin being pragmatic about a trade deal rather than continuing this rather silly ideological attempt to make an example of a country that dared to break free.

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It's a Brexit government and it's the year of our Lord 2020. Sorry to disappoint you but the EU is not interested in the opinions of British randoms on Cable Forum, Twitter or more widely.

It knows there's a government with a strong majority in the UK for four years and it knows what its negotiating objectives are. If you persist in believing that the EU's demands are linked to the vagaries of British opinion then there's little I can do about it.

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No, I don’t think it’s choreographed, but neither do I think there was much chance of this morning’s phone call resulting in an end to negotiations.

And for what it’s worth I really don’t buy in to the theory that Boris is preparing for a “sorry but it’s the best we could do” moment over a naff deal signed some time next week. The rhetoric has been strident and continues to be so. He would have no reason to back himself into a corner like this if he had even an inkling that he might have to sign it all away.

No matter how understandable the EU’s demands are on their own terms, they are absolutely unacceptable to the UK based on the UK’s stated policy aims with regards to business and market regulation, and sovereign control of our maritime EEZ. If there is a deal (and I think it’s still unlikely), the EU is going to have to accept things are changing in the direction we have indicated, and the very best they are going to get is a negotiated transition period with a fixed end date, that can be terminated by either party with reasonable notice.

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I don't think this has all been choreographed perfectly but talk of deploying the Royal Navy and the deadline finishing after the Sunday papers had all gone to press and were being read all look well timed.

Fishing looks more like the length of the transition period, enabling all to adapt.

In terms of how the UK will regulate itself post-Brexit, I don't see the UK going down the light-touch regulation route. I don't think it's imposing on the UK's sovereignty if a mechanism is set up that ended a free trade deal if the UK or EU did introduce legislation that made either a significant light-regulatory touch competitor. A free trade agreement is a privilege between two trading blocs or countries, it's not a right and surely such deals are always reviewed anyway.

I believe a deal will be struck.

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The only way a deal will be struck is if the EU concede a few points . . .


. . .and according to certain posters on here, why should they :p:

No deal all the way :D

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I and everybody else on the planet, must have missed when this opportunity to negotiate new terms for EU membership happened.
Prior to the Lisbon Treaty there wasn't any mechanism for leaving the EU.
The EU isn't suggesting future renegotiation on fishing and level playing field, just that we have to do as France and Germany say.

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Irrelevant as I'm talking about the current negotiations. We've left the EU. But I'm sure Margaret Thatcher would disagree with you negotiating new terms.
Bit of a random fact! We've left the EU.
I didn't say the EU was suggesting future renegotiation on fishing.
The negotiations are around the mechanism which would trigger the end of a free-trade deal if either side sought to undercut the other.
Where is your source for saying that have to do as France and Germany say?

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A review of a deal, means you have to agree for it to continue, otherwise it simply ends.

David Cameron tried to get amendments, what happened? Nothing.
Where have the EU said that the EU will take control of UK waters, but will return control at some point in the future?
Where have the EU said that the UK will have any sort of say on new "level playing field" rules the EU will impose on the UK?

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Deals can remain as is.
David Cameron did get changes as did Margaret Thatcher. The Brexit press were not particularly kind to David Cameron though. But we've left the EU, this is not 2016. So we all need to move on.
As for your other points, asking people to constantly disprove your heavily-loaded and uncited questions is outside my available time but I commend Sky News as a good source. ;)

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French, no doubt.

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Quite a few of them yes, along with some of our best. Good to have a choice at a reasonable price I find, that may not be the case in our brave new future.

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There's always Australian wines.

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Infinitely better than the French rubbish.

Battery acid, fizzy dry battery acid and then the contents of a pub ashtray

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Oh I've tried wine from every country ;) Good and bad everywhere. Definitely a fan of NZ Sauvignon Blancs. We do some good sparking wines, but have yet to taste decent British red wine.

Don't think antipodean cheese travels too well though...

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Whats wrong with English cheeses?

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Nothing, I love my wensleydale, a but also like camembert.

Guess you're more of a Dairylea fan ? ;)

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Idiotic profiling as usual.

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A deal is coming thank goodness. Just a matter of how Boris can sell it to the No Deal fanatics.

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Exactly. They just want to punish the EU as they resent once being part of it...even if such actions harm the UK more!

But I'm hopeful that commonsense will prevail.

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Dream on :p:

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Yup, it hasn't to date.

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Just catching up after a couple of days off ;)

You can see what the EU has invested in here. Cornwall for some reason is split in to two but you can zoom in to see details. A hell of a lot seems to be structural funding to diversify businesses in the area. I have seem the same where a relative lives in rural Scotland.

On the France-Ireland ferry thing, there is a huge sigh of relief from my customers on this as a lot of goods we ship cannot be shipped by air (too big, too hazardous or both) It will probably add an extra day of shipping but the feedback is that it's manageable. Cork and Dublin are the hearts of my industry too!

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Prediction by Gideon Rachman of the Financial Times
https://www.ft.com/content/955dc9c9-...b-ef28c9f70e2c

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Always good to hear a range of views, particularly from those at the coal face. :tu:

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Guesswork, opinion piece.

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An opinion piece that's being quite flagrantly selective with its statistics as well. Shocking from the likes of the FT.

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Pro eu rag in shock anti brexit opinion piece release.

Can't believe there are brain deads out there that lap this bolleaux up ad nauseum.....

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Guess you'd believe the Currant Bun/Daily Fail more than the Financial Times ? Each to their own.

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Yours will be the Morning Star no doubt.

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To pretend that the EU doesn't hold the upper hand is at the very best naive.

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Why don't they walk away then?

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Just because you hold the upper hand, it doesn't follow that you walk away from negotiating a deal.

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But we are nothing to them, we are but mere ants mesmerised by their omnipotence, they don't need us............

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No, but the Single Market is worth more to them than trading with us on a Tariff-free basis.

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No one would say that the EU nations would not be negatively impacted, of course they will. A deal suits everyone here

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Regardless of how much stronger they are than us blah de bloody blah, what the “trade” talks now balance on isn’t about trade at all. The sticking points are political.

It may also dawn on them that a no deal will be damaging to them, it doesn’t matter one fig if it hurts us more than them, it will hurt them and now is not the time to be playing games with fragile economies for political ideals.

I would expect the council to be applying a little bit of pressure to the commission to find a way through this, as it is the member states leaders in the council that will have to explain to their industries why they are going to not do as well in the immediate future trading with the UK, not the unelected commissioners.

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That's actually a very good question! I am certainly not clear what our position is beyond tariff and quota free access. There's loads of other stuff like mutual recognitions of things like airline safety, road licencing, qualifications, intellectual property rights, etc. that need to be pinned down too

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Unfortunately, until it's all agreed, it's not a deal...

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Let's hope so!

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https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics...eal-next-week/

A deal is coming. Happy Christmas everybody ! ;) Even the Hon. Member for the 19th Century is on board. He's probably reviewed his investment portfolio...

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Great news but ratification could be an issue.. Will Parliament just sign off without scrutiny? Could be saving up a whole raft of issues here, remembering the remarkably short shelf life of the Withdrawal Agreement.

The European Parliament are making noises too about the limited time for scrutiny

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A "deal" rushed through at the last moment without minute scrutiny is a sell out by another name.

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Maybe some kind of interim implementation for a month with more scrutiny in January?

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Some more positive developments.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics...n-brexit-talks

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I'd rather stay but as we are leaving I would rather a deal than no deal.

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The UK formally left the EU on 31 January 2020, following on a public vote held in June 2016. ... After the European Parliament ratified the agreement on 29 January, the United Kingdom withdrew from the European Union at 23:00 London time (GMT) on 31 January 2020, with a withdrawal agreement in place.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Withdr...European_Union

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So? I didn't challenge that in anyway in what I said.

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Do you not think that there's a significant difference between making a point and being pedantic for the sake of it?

I'm quite sure Maggy is aware that we have left the EU.......

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They already have been. Boris is going to be most depised PM by Brexiteers since urrmmm ....., the last one....
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/202...ls-brexiteers/

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It would be useful when posting yet another Govt/Brexit bashing post if one didn't link it to a pay site . .

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I didn't realise that the Telegraph was anti-Tory Government and anti-Brexit?

You learn something new every day... ;)

And considering it was written by two ex-Brexit MEPs (well, for 7 months, anyway), unless it actually called for the nuking of Berlin and Paris, they weren't going to be in favour of whatever was proposed...

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Well thats why I pasted the article in full. Not that I pay for the Torygraph, but they give me full access for some reason . Lucky me ! ;)

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Maybe the remark wasn't aimed at the article ;)

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What was anti-Brexit in Mr K's short sentence?

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Latest post or the last 3000? :D

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Not true ! I haven't posted anything anti-Brexit in the Cricket thread ( I think.. )

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:D nice one, that answer made me chuckle and is worth a rep point I can't currently give :tu:

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*cough cough*

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/show...t#post36017822

:D

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It's fair cop ! ;)

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BREAKING: Prime Minister, Boris Johnson has tonight, in a late evening phonecall with Ursula von der Leyen, told the EU to shift its stance 'substantially' with trade talks in 'serious situation'.

https://news.sky.com/story/brexit-bo...tinue-12165695

Full Government Statement:

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This talk of Australian terms is palpable nonsense. Australia has a few deals with the EU. If there's no deal between the UK and the EU then it's WTO terms. It's sad that BoJo can't summon the courage to call it no-deal.