Re: Brexit
 

The world has moved on since 1945. Surely, the crimes committed by some before 1945 have no bearing on the current elected rulers of Germany. In terms of "more Europe" that was a UK initiative to act as a buffer against Russia. Hence one reason why Russia was keen on Brexit.

Re: Brexit
 

And yet on this thread, leave supporters have been branded Empire lovers, and the UK’s colonial past is consistently thrown back in our faces. So obviously the world hasn’t moved on when it comes the UK.

We had our dark moments but i don’t believe genocide was one of them.

A UK initiative? I assume you have the detail to back that up?

Re: Brexit
 

You know 4 million Indians died in the 1943 famine, partly because we diverted so much of their food to our war effort and iirc all Churchill said was "it's their own fault for breeding like rabbits", the Boer concentration camps were a pretty dark period to

Re: Brexit
 

I'm going back to the 1990's when I was a Local Government Officer; the building manager did it as a dwarf worked in the office, but others found it difficult to use.

Quoting measurements for this really is a new height of pedantism, but in the end you have two choices as to whether you believe it or not.

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A woman suffering from dwarfism worked in the office, so I guess he was taking her needs into consideration and future proofing should any wheelchair using staff join the workforce.

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Well, I have heard it said the the existence of the EU has prevented wars because it would be very difficult to declare war on an EU partner.

How true it is in reality, I don't know.

Re: Brexit
 

Nope, majority of UK electorate was keen on Brexit.

But Russia has every right to feel threatened by a power hungry and corrupted EU, trying to expand and now grow an EU Army.

Re: Brexit
 

In reality, it’s not true at all.

The military threat post 1945 was Soviet Russia. We made a Faustian deal with Stalin in order to defeat Germany that ended up with most of the nation states of Eastern Europe, and the east of partitioned Germany, becoming vassal states of the greater Russian empire. There was a very real threat that the Soviets would evangelise their communist way of life further westwards, at gunpoint, or at the very least that they would preemptively strike against the West if it looked like the Allied powers were planning to continue their own march of liberation eastwards.

For the first few years after world war 2 fatigue prevented any of this from happening. Afterwards, the existence of nuclear arms, and the NATO and Warsaw alliances that threatened reprisals for an attack on any individual member, prevented it.

The European Union is supposed to prevent another conventional conflict along the lines of the two world wars by making France and Germany co-dependent. Sadly, because that’s what the EU is for, and because there hasn’t been another world war, a great many euro-evangelists commit the post hoc logical fallacy of assuming that the EU must have been responsible.

Re: Brexit
 

Planned visit to china by the chancellor for trade talks has been cancelled as they aren't happy about his speech where he mentioned putting an aircraft carrier into the Pacific:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-47264476

Re: Brexit
 

... which has absolutely nothing to do with Brexit. :confused:

Please remember this is a topic-based discussion forum ;)

Re: Brexit
 

Not sure I get the logic of Germany atoning for trying to dominate Europe, have a single European Army, currency, government, Foreign policy, etc, and use the EU to achieve just those very things.:confused:



The recent TV series of "Inside Europe: 10 years of turmoil" clearly demonstrated time and again, that when Germany and France say jump, you are expected to jump.

Re: Brexit
 

You need to learn to read reports correctly. The Chancellor has never mentioned putting an aircraft carrier into the pacific.

The Defence secretary mentioned HMS Queen Elizabeth would be deployed there as well as the middle east and the med as part of its maiden voyage which is not a military deployment per se.

No trip to China has been announced or confirmed either.

Re: Brexit
 

I assumed that this was an attempt to obtain a trade deal for when we leave the EU.

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No, it was never officially confirmed that is true.

PIease note that I sometimes make mistakes due to cognitive issues.

Re: Theresa May must resign
 

Corbyn isn't particularly bright and couldn't run a whelk stall.

https://www.spectator.co.uk/2019/02/...rbyn-crack-up/

To be fair, my opinion of Teresa May is even lower.

Re: Theresa May must resign
 

To be fair RR l agree with your sentiments one hundred per cent.:tu:

Re: Theresa May must resign
 

I think that this is a seminal post from you, Den. Everyone seems to be criticising Theresa May but totally ignoring the almost impossible task she faces. She does not have a majority in Parliament, all other factions (the remainers, the Labour Party, the ERG...) keep laying man traps to disrupt what she is trying to achieve, and of course the EU itself.

The referendum result was to leave. It was Theresa May who put forward the idea of a withdrawal agreement as a bridge between where we are now and where we want to be. Unfortunately, certain factions have used this against her and have deliberately muddied the waters. Had she not suggested the withdrawal agreement, I am sure the process of leaving the EU without such an agreement would have just gone through!

The Brexit people voted for, when you look at it, was a hard Brexit. Theresa was the woman with a plan. That is now being used against her.

There is absolutely no-one else with the balls to see this through, as you have acknowledged, Den. Credit where credit is due, don't you think?

Re: Theresa May must resign
 

You sure a withdrawal agreement was May's idea OB?