Cable Forum - Coronavirus

Obviously not critical thinking enough to do a 30 second search…

Critical thinking is the objective analysis and evaluation of an issue in order to form a judgement, not "ooh, this supports my biases, it must be true"; promulgation of baseless rumours is not, by any stretch of the imagination, "critical thinking".

At 574 posts in the thread we might be into infinite monkey theorem territory it we expect anything meaningful from Pierre.

Paul	14-10-2021 02:19

Re: Coronavirus

Jesus christ, grow up or I'll remove you from this again.

Its like watching 5 year olds in the playground, no one cares how many bloody posts anyone has in this topic, its irrelevant.

Get back on topic.

mrmistoffelees

14-10-2021 09:00

Re: Coronavirus

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36097311)

They knew that. BUT:

Sage was advising not to lock down too early because the fear was that people would get fed up and start breaking the rules just at a crucial point, when the infection rate started to come down, AND

We did not have a vaccine, and so lockdowns by themselves would not take out the virus. It would simply come back when the lockdown was withdrawn.

If the government was supremely confident that a vaccine was just around the corner, their decisions would almost certainly have been different.

Nowhere had a vaccine at that point in time, Nobody ever said that lockdowns would stop the virus spreading merely slow it's spread and in turn allowing the NHS to manage patient flow as best as possible.

The infection rate started to come down? How do you work that one out? At that time we had targeted testing only, you have zero evidence to support that.

Carth

14-10-2021 09:39

Re: Coronavirus

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Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees (Post 36097346)

Nowhere had a vaccine at that point in time, Nobody ever said that lockdowns would stop the virus spreading merely slow it's spread and in turn allowing the NHS to manage patient flow as best as possible.

The infection rate started to come down? How do you work that one out? At that time we had targeted testing only, you have zero evidence to support that.

He didn't say it. For a supposedly intelligent chap you do seem to miss-read posts quite a lot ;)

mrmistoffelees

14-10-2021 09:57

Re: Coronavirus

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Originally Posted by Carth (Post 36097347)

He didn't say it. For a supposedly intelligent chap you do seem to miss-read posts quite a lot ;)

That depends on entirely how much coffee i've had... which in this case wasn't enough :D

Indeed, apologies OB

Carth

14-10-2021 10:06

Re: Coronavirus

aah yes, lack of coffee does tend to make those brain cells a bit sluggish, those neuron thingies need a damn good kick starter at my age :D

Pierre

14-10-2021 12:46

Re: Coronavirus

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36097336)

I’ll keep my powder dry. Suggesting that the virus escaped from a lab in Wuhan was deemed mis-information, and any mention of such would have shouted down as a conspiracy nut and banned from you tube and Twitter ……………until suddenly 12months or so later it was a viable hypothesis.

Hugh	14-10-2021 13:09

Re: Coronavirus

Comparing apples to pebbles…

When independent professional virologists state as a fact it’s a different drug, that’s not the same as not knowing the provenance of COVID - one is confirmed information based on peer-reviewed documentation, the other is "we don’t know, it might have been".

Trying to say they are the same thing doesn’t just step over the line to a conspiracy theory, it takes a 20 metre run up and then uses a springboard to get over the line… ;)

Taf	14-10-2021 18:44

Re: Coronavirus

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BBC News just now:

"Covid-19 deaths with 28 days of a positive test are rising".

Me, using the data that the ONS is publishing daily: "Nope".

Mad Max

15-10-2021 00:09

Re: Coronavirus

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Originally Posted by Taf (Post 36097411)

BBC News just now:

"Covid-19 deaths with 28 days of a positive test are rising".

Me, using the data that the ONS is publishing daily: "Nope".

It must be the overcrowding.

Paul	15-10-2021 06:05

Re: Coronavirus

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36097384)

Comparing apples to pebbles…

Did you run out of oranges ?

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Originally Posted by Taf (Post 36097411)

BBC News just now:

"Covid-19 deaths with 28 days of a positive test are rising".

Me, using the data that the ONS is publishing daily: "Nope".

The government covid site does not support that statement either.

https://i.ibb.co/5TWZHhR/Capture.png

Hugh	15-10-2021 09:32

Re: Coronavirus

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Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36097440)

Did you run out of oranges?

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The government covid site does not support that statement either.

https://www.cableforum.uk/images/local/2021/10/5.png

I was trying (and obviously failed ;)) to show that the comparators were so far apart, they weren’t even two type of the same thing (fruit), just two things whose only similarity was they were/could be globular.

Taf	15-10-2021 12:55

Re: Coronavirus

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Plans to use ozone machines to disinfect classrooms have been abandoned, the Welsh government has confirmed.

Welsh ministers had previously announced they would spend £3.31m on 1,800 new ozone machines developed by Swansea University.

On Thursday, the Welsh government said this cash would instead be used in schools and colleges to improve ventilation.

£3.31 million to open classroom windows and doors, I suspect. Dripford and his clueless talking shop do it again. I wonder how much was spent on consultants?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-58917096

1andrew1

15-10-2021 13:13

Re: Coronavirus

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Originally Posted by Taf (Post 36097460)

Matt Hancock's pub landlord would have done it for half that price! ;)

joglynne

15-10-2021 13:53

Re: Coronavirus

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NHS Test and Trace suspends Covid testing provided by a private laboratory in Wolverhampton amid fears up to 43,000 people were given the wrong result

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-58922518

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Summary
Lab might have given 43,000 false negatives
Immensa Health Clinic awarded govt contracts worth $233 million
Wrong results could have contributed to spread - scientist
LONDON, Oct 15 (Reuters) - A COVID-19 testing laboratory in central England has been suspended over concern that it has been incorrectly giving negative PCR test results to people who are infected, the UK Health Security Agency (UKHSA) said on Friday.

NHS Test and Trace launched an investigation into a lab in Wolverhampton after reports of people getting negative PCR test results after testing positive on rapid lateral flow devices (LFDs).

Government advice says PCR tests are more accurate than LFDs, and people can stop self-isolating if a positive LFD result is followed by a negative PCR test result.

UKHSA said an estimated 43,000 people may have been given incorrect negative PCR test results, mainly in southwest England, possibly underestimating the number of people with coronavirus between Sept 8. and Oct. 12.

"We have immediately suspended testing at this laboratory while we continue the investigation," said Dr Will Welfare, Public Health Incident Director at UKHSA. .......

full report can be seen here...........
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-58922518

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