Cable Forum - Coronavirus

I’m not worried about him being in Marbs on holiday - I’m more worried about him coming back… :D

Anyway, the hospital was over 18 months ago (as was the baby), and I’m sure the 7 hour flight from the West Coast was (at least) in Business Class comfort, which strongly reduces the jet lag (lie-flat beds and all that), and if "running" the country is so exhausting, he may wish to examine his options… ;)

(I actually have no issue with our Leaders having holidays)

Damn - I should have thought of that. And Carth should have got in before you.

mrmistoffelees

12-10-2021 18:52

Re: Coronavirus

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Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 36097174)

Everyone can look at things in retrospect and decide hindsight is a wonderful thing. Foresight though is another matter, the Government relied on SAGE which obviously didn't have it.

https://assets.publishing.service.go...Covid-19__.pdf

Agreed but TheDaddy doesn't look at things the same way as you or I. I also can't remember any of the opposition objecting to the route the incumbant Government was taking at the time.

Surely the government didn’t need to be told by SAGE about the situation in Europe who were approx some six weeks ahead of us in terms of infection rates, hospitalisations, deaths & lockdowns.

Pierre

12-10-2021 21:07

Re: Coronavirus

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36097176)

People on this Forum and elsewhere were calling for an earlier lockdown at the time.

Better memory than me then.

jfman

12-10-2021 21:28

Re: Coronavirus

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Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36097201)

Better memory than me then.

The search function and my username would be a good starting point.

1andrew1

12-10-2021 22:23

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Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36097201)

Better memory than me then.

I didn't get out much in 2020. :D

I remember Mr K coming back from Rome as we all learnt what was unravelling. Some quotes from the original thread.

10/03/2020

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Originally posted by Pierre
what do you suggest would be the "right" actions?

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Originally posted by Mr K
Taking the actions they'll have to take in a few weeks anyway. The sort of limiting public movement that has been done in Italy. It won't stop it but it will slow things down and give us more of a chance. We seem to be waiting for things to get bad before acting, by then it's too late

12/03/2020

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Originally posted by Denphone
UK expected to move to 'delay' phase after Cobra meeting.

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Originally posted by Mr K
All a bit late. We needed to act more quickly, not wait for things to get worse i.e. proactive not reactive.

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Originally posted by Carth
Very good point, all you'd really be doing is transferring the 'risk' to another area . . . although most kids would nowadays quite happily stay indoors in front of their PS4 24/7

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Originally posted by Denphone
Its a great point as perhaps in the next phase we might soon need some type of lockdown like Italy.

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/show...avirus&page=23

Hugh	12-10-2021 23:04

Re: Coronavirus

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36097176)

People on this Forum and elsewhere were calling for an earlier lockdown at the time, if I remember correctly. Certainly there were calls at the time for the March 10th Liverpool v Atletico Madrid match not being played in front of spectators when Madrid itself was locked down.

Rory Stewart, 9th March 2020

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/h...-a9389051.html

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The government has made a serious mistake today. They should be acting much more aggressively to contain coronavirus.

“Schools should be shut now. If the government are not prepared to shut them now, they should – at the very least – state clearly and transparently what their triggers will be for closing schools over the next few days.

“All medium and large gatherings should be cancelled. All passengers coming from hotspots should be tested and quarantined. There is no excuse for passengers not being tested off a plane from Milan last night.”

Paul	13-10-2021 01:34

Re: Coronavirus

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36097176)

People on this Forum and elsewhere were calling for an earlier lockdown at the time, if I remember correctly.

Plenty of people were against any such move as well.

The fact is that ordering a lockdown was (quite rightly) a last resort, and not something to just jump into lightly.

They could never win anyway ;
Do it too early, one set blame you for being too soon.
Wait a bit and another set blame you for taking to long.

There will always be people who blame "the government", whatever they do.

jfman

13-10-2021 06:41

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Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36097208)

Just as on the other hand since 2016 there appears to be a group that will forgive them regardless of how rubbish their performance is.

Damien

13-10-2021 08:58

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Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36097208)

The Government are responsible for these decisions in the end. When a decision is first made they will get flack from either side but that's the nature of the job. If they make the right decision time may vindicate them but in this case, time didn't. It was as the report says it turned out to be a very bad decision.

I have a lot of understanding of why they made the decision. I thought it made sense at the time. It was still a bad decision for which they're responsible though.

nffc	13-10-2021 09:38

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Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36097208)

The other point here is that when it was ordered people could see it was necessary because the extra week showed for sure we were on the same path as Spain and Italy and also that this meant there was serious risk the NHS would end up overwhelmed, but that there was still time to stop it.

A week or so earlier, there perhaps wasn't the case numbers to show this was definitely the case. And some people may well have been reluctant to lock down (it's still possible for this even with businesses closed, they can meet up elsewhere) if the stats showed only 500 people or something had the virus (even though the actual figure was probably many times more).

jfman

13-10-2021 10:09

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Originally Posted by nffc (Post 36097214)

The week before (Monday) Boris told people to avoid all unnecessary contact with other people and to work from home if they can. Then he closed the pubs on the Friday.

The writing was always on the wall and everyone knew it. The only question mark - for purely economic reasons - was to try and drag a “3 week lockdown” to the Easter school holidays to lessen the impact. Blaming the hypothetical public non-adherence is a red herring, with the appropriate financial support there was no reason to expect the public to not adhere as they had done elsewhere.

mrmistoffelees

13-10-2021 10:13

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Maybe, just maybe, taking back control of our borders meant HMG thought they could prevent the virus entering impenetrable fortress UK ;) :erm:

Think Trumps wall but with twenty ft high posters of Pritti all owa the shop.

nffc	13-10-2021 13:10

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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36097215)

It's a question we'll never know the answer to because we can't suggest what might have happened based on a scenario which did happen.

It also struck me at the time that he was basically locking down from the week before, but giving people the choice; and at the time, there was plenty of reporting with pubs suddenly getting exited when Boris had said to avoid them, they were then left with lower numbers and still the same operating until he formally closed them, but also crucially with no help such as furlough or from insurance if they then took the decision to close due to poor trade. Given that also a lot of people were then still packing out clubs and stuff they presumably felt they did need to move further with the guidance.

Pierre

13-10-2021 13:24

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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36097203)

The search function and my username would be a good starting point.

I have neither the time nor inclination.

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Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36097208)

Plenty of people were against any such move as well.

Plenty of people still think that the lockdown was a bad idea.

1andrew1

13-10-2021 13:27

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Originally Posted by nffc (Post 36097231)

It's a question we'll never know the answer to because we can't suggest what might have happened based on a scenario which did happen.

That Select Committee suggest thousands of lives would have been saved. I don't really buy into the argument that the British wouldn't have accepted a lockdown but everywhere else in the world would.

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