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1andrew1 28-08-2025 17:55
Re: Reform UK's chronicles
 
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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36201844)
Presumably, Nigel or one of Reform's luminaries told you that!

Right now, it's immigration that taxes the fickle British opinion. But, as the Labour years wear on, Reform needs to provide assurance well ahead of the next GE so that they remain at the head of the polls. And it is the economy that matters really. So it should be possible for Reform UK to maintain these twin threads and they need to keep it credible.
Reform is anti-growth and wants to increase red tape with our largest market. They want to throw Ukraine under the bus. And their policies on the NHS which they once wanted to privatise are somewhat vague! No wonder they want to talk about immigration!

(But where they stand on the big issue of the day - getting rid of linear TV channels - remains a big unknown! :D)

Pierre 28-08-2025 19:38
Re: Reform UK's chronicles
 
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36201849)
No wonder they want to talk about immigration!
British people like fairness, and more importantly don’t like people taking the piss.

The economic migrants (some aren’t even that they’re basically tourists), let’s call them what they are. They’re not refugees.

They’re jumping the queue against people trying enter the right way.

Being housed, fed, paid, culturally at odds with the U.K. costing us billions, when our economy is in the toilet, heating costs up, cost of living going up, and Labour doing absolutely sweet FA about it.

Reform are tapping into all of it.

I voted Reform at the last election and I’ll be voting for them at the next, for the very simple reason that they are not Tory, Labour or LibDem…..that’s all the reason I need.

Sephiroth 28-08-2025 19:59
Re: Reform UK's chronicles
 
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36201849)
Reform is anti-growth and wants to increase red tape with our largest market. They want to throw Ukraine under the bus. And their policies on the NHS which they once wanted to privatise are somewhat vague! No wonder they want to talk about immigration!

(But where they stand on the big issue of the day - getting rid of linear TV channels - remains a big unknown! :D)

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Reform is anti-growth and wants to increase red tape with our largest market.
You presumably mean Reform/Farage's stance on Brexit. He needs to be careful here and base all his decisions around growth. But this is a difficult one. Let's say that Starmer's arrangements with the EU work out well in economic terms by GE time; then Farage needs to have answer to the ensuant awkward questions.

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They want to throw Ukraine under the bus.
Another really difficult one. Europe (and Starmer) is all mouth; constantly appalled at Russia but doing nothing decisive about Russia's aggression. It means that Russia will win in the long run by means of attrition. Nor can Trump be relied upon to take decisive action. If that's the case, Ukraine is lost and the proverbial bus is arriving. Can you see a doable different solution?

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And their policies on the NHS which they once wanted to privatise are somewhat vague!
Better to be vague at this stage than saying stupid things. On present heading of the economy, it's the unsayable that looms for the NHS. The only thing they can say is that the extra 6 figure number of asylum seekers is an unsustainable burden which leads to:

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No wonder they want to talk about immigration!
Indeed.

1andrew1 29-08-2025 10:57
Re: Reform UK's chronicles
 
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Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36201858)
British people like fairness, and more importantly don’t like people taking the piss.

The economic migrants (some aren’t even that they’re basically tourists), let’s call them what they are. They’re not refugees.

They’re jumping the queue against people trying enter the right way.

Being housed, fed, paid, culturally at odds with the U.K. costing us billions, when our economy is in the toilet, heating costs up, cost of living going up, and Labour doing absolutely sweet FA about it.

Reform are tapping into all of it.

I voted Reform at the last election and I’ll be voting for them at the next, for the very simple reason that they are not Tory, Labour or LibDem…..that’s all the reason I need.
Some are asylum-seekers, some are economic migrants. It's probably not great being a Christian or gay in Afghanistan and Iran, for example.

These people are not here for benefits, the government won't allow them to work until their claims have been processed and that's been underfunded so is taking too long. Fortunately, that's being improved so wrong to say nothing's being done about it.

Obviously, once immigrants are working they will more than pay for themselves and will probably be very motivated. Many great companies were founded by immigrants generating considerable wealth for this country. Recent examples are easyJet, Babylon Health and Revolut.

Sephiroth 29-08-2025 11:06
Re: Reform UK's chronicles
 
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36201885)
Some are asylum-seekers, some are economic migrants. It's probably not great being a Christian or gay in Afghanistan and Iran, for example.

These people are not here for benefits, the government won't allow them to work until their claims have been processed and that's been underfunded so is taking too long. Fortunately, that's being improved so wrong to say nothing's being done about it.

Obviously, once immigrants are working they will more than pay for themselves and will probably be very motivated. Many great companies were founded by immigrants generating considerable wealth for this country. Recent examples are easyJet, Babylon Health and Revolut.
Of course they're here for benefits - see the hotels and healthcare for details. They don't get treated so well in France - hence the boats. You do see that: right?

As for your ridiculous assertions of the eventual benefits that these migrants would bring to the UK: If they had the intellectual prowess of Ali Parsa (Babylon Health), then yes. But these are not of that ilk and would be of little or no benefit, including the massive cultural differences. You do see that: right?

1andrew1 29-08-2025 11:31
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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36201886)
Of course they're here for benefits - see the hotels and healthcare for details. They don't get treated so well in France - hence the boats. You do see that: right?
They're on benefits because they're not allowed to work. They're not crossing the world and risking their lives for a HMO in a run-down seaside town! The sooner they get processed, the sooner we can empty the hotels and the sooner they start paying taxes.

They come to the UK largely because they can speak English and have connections here. It's a side-product of our colonial past.

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36201886)
As for your ridiculous assertions of the eventual benefits that these migrants would bring to the UK: If they had the intellectual prowess of Ali Parsa (Babylon Health), then yes. But these are not of that ilk and would be of little or no benefit, including the massive cultural differences. You do see that: right?
Once they're working there's immediate benefit as they're paying taxes. If you've travelled half-way across the world and don't have your parents to fall back on and an inheritance to look forward to, you generally work harder than someone who does.

Sephiroth 29-08-2025 11:59
Re: Reform UK's chronicles
 
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36201888)
They're on benefits because they're not allowed to work. They're not crossing the world and risking their lives for a HMO in a run-down seaside town! The sooner they get processed, the sooner we can empty the hotels and the sooner they start paying taxes.

They come to the UK largely because they can speak English and have connections here. It's a side-product of our colonial past.


Once they're working there's immediate benefit as they're paying taxes. If you've travelled half-way across the world and don't have your parents to fall back on and an inheritance to look forward to, you generally work harder than someone who does.
Utter total gollox.

Try looking at this properly. They are from different cultures, some of them directly antithetic to ours. Is that what you want? The eventual destruction of our culture?

They have no right to be here. They are in France and that should be good enough.

You can see the trouble that the presence is causing; how hotels that could accommodate business people are now housing jump-the-queue migrants. You can see how the leeching human rights lawyers are raking it in to keep these people here.

All this altruistic guff about they'll work harder because there's no bank of mum and dad. Gollox, gollox, gollox. They'll go into their own ghettos, with all this entails including no-go areas that are happening in London.

Please, get real. Is this hell what you really want?

Carth 29-08-2025 13:44
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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36201890)
Utter total gollox.

Try looking at this properly. They are from different cultures, some of them directly antithetic to ours. Is that what you want? The eventual destruction of our culture?

They have no right to be here. They are in France and that should be good enough.

You can see the trouble that the presence is causing; how hotels that could accommodate business people are now housing jump-the-queue migrants. You can see how the leeching human rights lawyers are raking it in to keep these people here.

All this altruistic guff about they'll work harder because there's no bank of mum and dad. Gollox, gollox, gollox. They'll go into their own ghettos, with all this entails including no-go areas that are happening in London.

Please, get real. Is this hell what you really want?

:clap: :nworthy:

Makes me wonder where all these 'jobs' are coming from, and the hotels are being paid by - guess who - to house the migrants.

Another one is "we need immigrants because the birth rate is falling" well how about looking at WHY.

Lots of young couples in the mid to late 20's age bracket that would presumably love to start a family, but not while still living with parents or stuck in an expensive rented one bedroom flat. Sort the housing out and people may, possibly, start to have kids again.

Sephiroth 29-08-2025 14:40
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Originally Posted by Carth (Post 36201896)
:clap: :nworthy:

Makes me wonder where all these 'jobs' are coming from, and the hotels are being paid by - guess who - to house the migrants.

Another one is "we need immigrants because the birth rate is falling" well how about looking at WHY.

Lots of young couples in the mid to late 20's age bracket that would presumably love to start a family, but not while still living with parents or stuck in an expensive rented one bedroom flat. Sort the housing out and people may, possibly, start to have kids again.
Exactamundo.

1andrew1 29-08-2025 14:49
Re: Reform UK's chronicles
 
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Originally Posted by Carth (Post 36201896)
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Another one is "we need immigrants because the birth rate is falling" well how about looking at WHY.

Lots of young couples in the mid to late 20's age bracket that would presumably love to start a family, but not while still living with parents or stuck in an expensive rented one bedroom flat. Sort the housing out and people may, possibly, start to have kids again.
Agreed and that is why the government is trying to remove red tape so that developers can build more houses. Having the policy is one thing, preventing nimbys and councillors blocking it particularly where it's needed most is the hard part together with having sufficient builders, etc.

Hugh 29-08-2025 16:05
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36201901)
Agreed and that is why the government is trying to remove red tape so that developers can build more houses. Having the policy is one thing, preventing nimbys and councillors blocking it particularly where it's needed most is the hard part together with having sufficient builders, etc.
Also, builders aren’t interested in building affordable housing - I live in North-West Leeds, and most of the new houses built in this area in the last five years are 4 or 5 bed detached, ranging from £650k to £925k; there are a few "affordable" houses in those new estates, but those are 2 or 3 bed semis or mews costing £325k to £425k.

Considering that the average salary in Leeds is £43k, that must be a new definition of "affordable" I hadn’t encountered before…

Pierre 29-08-2025 16:59
Re: Reform UK's chronicles
 
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36201885)
Some are asylum-seekers, some are economic migrants. It's probably not great being a Christian or gay in Afghanistan and Iran, for example.

These people are not here for benefits, the government won't allow them to work until their claims have been processed and that's been underfunded so is taking too long. Fortunately, that's being improved so wrong to say nothing's being done about it.

Obviously, once immigrants are working they will more than pay for themselves and will probably be very motivated. Many great companies were founded by immigrants generating considerable wealth for this country. Recent examples are easyJet, Babylon Health and Revolut.
As I said, we don’t like people taking the piss, and this is taking the piss.

https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/new...kirk-scotland/

---------- Post added at 16:59 ---------- Previous post was at 16:46 ----------

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...asylum-seekers

And residents are told they have to live with foreign men that see young white British girls as meat, free to infiltrate their neighbourhood at heightened risk of assault or rape.

The government value the rights of illegal immigrants over their own citizens.

And they wonder why the people have had enough and protest.

Just wait for the next assault/rape……because there will be one. It’ll kick off again.

And it’s all gravy for Nigel.

1andrew1 29-08-2025 17:24
Re: Reform UK's chronicles
 
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Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36201920)
As I said, we don’t like people taking the piss, and this is taking the piss.

https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/new...kirk-scotland/
Labour's new laws will see foreign criminals like him deported.

Itshim 29-08-2025 17:31
Re: Reform UK's chronicles
 
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36201924)
Labour's new laws will see foreign criminals like him deported.
There lawyer colleagues, will line their pockets on the back of it

Paul 29-08-2025 17:50
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36201924)
Labour's new laws will see foreign criminals like him deported.
Which doesnt really change the fact he should not have been "imported" in the first place.


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