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Chris 12-11-2023 20:03
Re: Hamas Israel War
 
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Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36163924)
What were they [supposedly] protesting about exactly ?
Also, what do they think the protest will actually achieve ?
Israel has diplomatic cover from the United States, which despite its military and economic power is unable to operate entirely alone. Protests in European capitals pressurise European governments to moderate their support, which ultimately makes it more difficult for the USA to continue to support Israel. That’s the theory anyway, though any effects would be subtle and slow-acting.

But even if it had no perceivable diplomatic effect at all, what’s wrong with taking a moral stand? 300,000 people taking an active stand on an issue is surely healthy for a democracy.

Pierre 12-11-2023 20:11
Re: Hamas Israel War
 
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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36163932)
300,000 people taking an active stand on an issue is surely healthy for a democracy.
It is, but if a very large % of those people are actually advocating for the eradication of a state and a people…..that’s when it becomes an issue.

1andrew1 12-11-2023 20:40
Re: Hamas Israel War
 
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It is, but if a very large % of those people are actually advocating for the eradication of a state and a people…..that’s when it becomes an issue.
Fortunately that's not the case with those marching for a ceasefire. May well be the case for those hard right people trying to reach the Cenotaph.

jfman 12-11-2023 20:49
Re: Hamas Israel War
 
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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36163932)
Israel has diplomatic cover from the United States, which despite its military and economic power is unable to operate entirely alone. Protests in European capitals pressurise European governments to moderate their support, which ultimately makes it more difficult for the USA to continue to support Israel. That’s the theory anyway, though any effects would be subtle and slow-acting.

But even if it had no perceivable diplomatic effect at all, what’s wrong with taking a moral stand? 300,000 people taking an active stand on an issue is surely healthy for a democracy.
Very well put.

1andrew1 12-11-2023 21:00
Re: Hamas Israel War
 
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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36163918)
Koalemos?
:D :D:D

Confess I had to Google that particular god!

Pierre 12-11-2023 22:10
Re: Hamas Israel War
 
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36163934)
Fortunately that's not the case with those marching for a ceasefire. May well be the case for those hard right people trying to reach the Cenotaph.
Well then, All the protests were “hard right” if you like to phrase it that way.

Unless you think calling for the eradication of Jews is somehow Leftist progessionisn.

Pierre 12-11-2023 22:14
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Take a step back and look at we’re talking about.

1andrew1 12-11-2023 22:44
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Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36163940)
Well then, All the protests were “hard right” if you like to phrase it that way.

Unless you think calling for the eradication of Jews is somehow Leftist progessionisn.
Those calling for the eradication of any race tend to be a tiny minority of extremists. Doubtless a few in the ceasefire march but just that - a tiny minority.

Hugh 12-11-2023 23:06
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Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36163941)
Take a step back and look at we’re talking about.
You appear to be confusing Arabs and Palestinians - there are 465 million Arabs, and 5 million Palestinians

All Palestinians are Arabs - a small percentage of Arabs (slightly over 1%) are Palestinians…

Pierre 12-11-2023 23:35
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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36163945)
You appear to be confusing Arabs and Palestinians - there are 465 million Arabs, and 5 million Palestinians

All Palestinians are Arabs - a small percentage of Arabs (slightly over 1%) are Palestinians…
And?

I’m loving watching the bullshit gymnastics on display.

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36163943)
Those calling for the eradication of any race tend to be a tiny minority of extremists. Doubtless a few in the ceasefire march but just that - a tiny minority.
Hmmmn. Yes. It’s a minority.

I can’t count them all, but out of 300,000 marching and I would conservatively say that at any time 80% would be chanting “from the river to the sea”.

So as least there were 240,000 anti-Semitic/ pro Hamas there.

Not a “few”

1andrew1 12-11-2023 23:52
Re: Hamas Israel War
 
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Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36163947)
And?

I’m loving watching the bullshit gymnastics on display.

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Hmmmn. Yes. It’s a minority.

I can’t count them all, but out of 300,000 marching and I would conservatively say that at any time 80% would be chanting “from the river to the sea”.

So as least there were 240,000 anti-Semitic/ pro Hamas there.

Not a “few”
I would say generously 0.5% were chanting that. Reality is likely less, a few hundred.

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Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36163941)
Take a step back and look at we’re talking about.
What's your point, caller?

jfman 13-11-2023 04:19
Re: Hamas Israel War
 
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Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36163947)
And?

I’m loving watching the bullshit gymnastics on display.

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Hmmmn. Yes. It’s a minority.

I can’t count them all, but out of 300,000 marching and I would conservatively say that at any time 80% would be chanting “from the river to the sea”.

So as least there were 240,000 anti-Semitic/ pro Hamas there.

Not a “few”
The problem with such a broad definition of anti-Semitism it removes all meaning and devalues actual, genuine, claims of anti-Semitism.

While the sideshow debate of that chant goes on the poisonous, borderline genocidal, rhetoric of some Israeli ministers goes unnoticed and unchallenged here.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/pm-war...d-nuking-gaza/

It’s a bad day when Benjamin Netanyahu has to tell you to tone it down.

Pierre 13-11-2023 07:44
Re: Hamas Israel War
 
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36163949)
I would say generously 0.5% were chanting that. Reality is likely less, a few hundred.
I can’t respond to that in any serious way.

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What's your point, caller?
It’s self evident

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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36163958)
The problem with such a broad definition of anti-Semitism it removes all meaning and devalues actual, genuine, claims of anti-Semitism.
.
The problem is very large groups of people shouting anti-Semitic chants is perfectly acceptable nowadays.

There’s no difference between those marching chanting, to people walking with white hoods in 60’s america.

jfman 13-11-2023 08:09
Re: Hamas Israel War
 
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Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36163959)
I can’t respond to that in any serious way.



It’s self evident

The problem is very large groups of people shouting anti-Semitic chants is perfectly acceptable nowadays.

There’s no difference between those marching chanting, to people walking with white hoods in 60’s america.
I’d imagine 10,000 dead Palestinians would say otherwise had their voices not been wiped from the face of the earth.

If your own prejudices prevent you from perceiving the difference then that’s up to you.

Hugh 13-11-2023 09:00
Re: Hamas Israel War
 
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Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36163947)
And?

I’m loving watching the bullshit gymnastics on display.

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Hmmmn. Yes. It’s a minority.

I can’t count them all, but out of 300,000 marching and I would conservatively say that at any time 80% would be chanting “from the river to the sea”.

So as least there were 240,000 anti-Semitic/ pro Hamas there.

Not a “few”
Yes, it’s called a mirror…

Most of Hamas support comes from Iran, a non-Arab country.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/w...-war-rbf38qng6


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