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Sephiroth

15-07-2019 17:42

Re: Leadership who is the next PM?

I suspect that Boris may have a much shorter tenure than 3 years.
Try whatever time arises from a no confidence vote. The new PM takes office the day before the parliamentary recess.

Hugh	15-07-2019 18:17

Re: Leadership who is the next PM?

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36002777)

I guess he takes the view that what’s good for the goose is good for the gander.

Well, he is renowned for his "goosing"... ;)

Mobes

15-07-2019 20:15

Re: Leadership who is the next PM?

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Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36002626)

Because one of them will be. So best choose one.

Good to know you’d chose the racist over the non racist!

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36002670)

Because there is no third choice. Ever heard of the best of a bad bunch?

The best of a bad bunch is a racist over a non racist?

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It’s bitter pill to swallow that we’ll have a 2nd ‘unelected’ Pm in nearly as many years but we live in a Parliamentary democracy and that’s how it works! We don’t directly elect a leader we elect a party that chooses its leader!

I believe we should bring in a bill that means when a PM resigns it automatically triggers an election because , Parliamentary democracy aside, many people will vote, or indeed not vote because of the person who will eventually be !

Sephiroth

15-07-2019 20:44

Re: Leadership who is the next PM?

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Originally Posted by Mobes (Post 36002796)

Good to know you’d chose the racist over the non racist!

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The best of a bad bunch is a racist over a non racist?

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It’s bitter pill to swallow that we’ll have a 2nd ‘unelected’ Pm in nearly as many years but we live in a Parliamentary democracy and that’s how it works! We don’t directly elect a leader we elect a party that chooses its leader!

I believe we should bring in a bill that means when a PM resigns it automatically triggers an election because , Parliamentary democracy aside, many people will vote, or indeed not vote because of the person who will eventually be !

It'll be interesting to see how peops respond to that.
On the face of it, the suggestion makes sense. However, I haven't dug deeper to consider what other constitutional implications there may be.
Also, I'm not sure that the electorate votes for a PM - but rather a balance of risk as to party + PM vs the other lot's same.

ianch99

15-07-2019 20:58

Re: Leadership who is the next PM?

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36002801)

It does make sense but with some caveats:

1. you could argue if the current Government has a large majority (> 50?) then a change of leader may not alter the mandate from the GE. Not convinced 100% but it has some merit
2. if the new leader is proposing a major policy shift relative to the last GE manifesto then a new GE would almost always be meritted

Mobes

15-07-2019 22:45

Re: Leadership who is the next PM?

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36002801)

I fully believe a lot of people vote for the leader and not the party.

Saw it with Thatcher, Major and Blair. Many switched parties due to who they trusted and feared.

I'm a Labour supporter but won't vote Labour until Corbyn is gone.

I'll also add that no new PM has the obligation to carry out the manifesto or direction that the old PM had. You hear it many times from Johnson's idiot supporters.

That alone would persuade me a GE is needed each time there's a new PM.

ianch99

16-07-2019 09:40

Re: Leadership who is the next PM?

Well, No Deal it is then unless, of course, they are not telling us the truth :) :

Hunt and Johnson: the backstop is dead and can't be in any EU deal

Both leadership candidates have declared:

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Boris Johnson and Jeremy Hunt have declared the Northern Ireland backstop “dead” and promised to throw it out of any deal they negotiate with the EU, in comments that significantly harden their Brexit positions.

The Tory leadership rivals both ruled out trying to tweak the backstop, which critics said could trap the UK indefinitely in a customs union with the EU.

They said it would not feature in any deal with the EU, saying it was no good to have a time limit on it or a way of the UK exiting it unilaterally – even though Eurosceptics had previously indicated they could vote for such compromises.

OLD BOY

16-07-2019 09:52

Re: Leadership who is the next PM?

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Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 36002847)

Well, No Deal it is then unless, of course, they are not telling us the truth :) :

Hunt and Johnson: the backstop is dead and can't be in any EU deal

Both leadership candidates have declared:

Well, there's no point in flogging a dead horse, is there? How many more times does anyone have to put May's 'deal'to the vote only for it to be rejected?

Been there, got the T-shirt......

tweetiepooh

16-07-2019 11:33

Re: Leadership who is the next PM?

I vote for my MP so a change in PM doesn't really mean to much in too many cases.

That said, if someone in the past says that a change in PM should result in a GE that should apply in all cases.

Mr K	16-07-2019 12:31

Re: Leadership who is the next PM?

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36002777)

I guess he takes the view that what’s good for the goose is good for the gander.

No he's a hypocrite, could add lmany other words too ! The upside is that in a few weeks time all his lies will be exposed for what they are, anything to get him and his nutty latest bit of fluff into Downing St.... He can hold a jolly good parties there I should think, don't envy the neighbours ;)

Chris

16-07-2019 17:33

Re: Leadership who is the next PM?

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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36002859)

Well the neighbours would be whoever he’s promised the Treasury to, so you’d hope they’d get invites to all the parties ...

Damien

16-07-2019 17:38

Re: Leadership who is the next PM?

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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36002886)

Well the neighbours would be whoever he’s promised the Treasury to, so you’d hope they’d get invites to all the parties ...

Hasn't always worked for previous incumbents :erm:

richard s

16-07-2019 21:51

Re: Leadership who is the next PM?

Boris will also be bottom licking Donald Trump and will also ask Farage to be Ambassador for the UK. In the meantime Ann Widdercombe will become speaker of the house, Jacob Reese-Mogg will become Chancellor and so on.

Some light reading on the CONservative party.

https://ig.ft.com/brexit-tory-tribes/

Damien

16-07-2019 22:00

Re: Leadership who is the next PM?

Boris Johnson won't ask Farage to be Ambassador. He isn't qualified, he isn't a civil servant and we don't appoint ambassadors because they are mates with the President.

Mr K	17-07-2019 08:24

Re: Leadership who is the next PM?

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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36002933)

Boris Johnson won't ask Farage to be Ambassador. He isn't qualified, he isn't a civil servant and we don't appoint ambassadors because they are mates with the President.

He might you know.... The deal might already be done as long as he winds up the Brexit party. They should both get knighthoods for service to themselves....

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