Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35799380)

That proof isn't there or isn't convincing. How do you know that these immigrants wouldn't come anyway and attempt to get in via other means? We did try to stop the rescue attempts at sea and people came anyway nor is there a test case we can use to show that it is policy of admitting migrants than cause them to come.

Still you might be right on that. I am not sure. What I was commenting on is that a lot of people are clearly conflicted on the issue (even people are are traditionally anti-immigration) and that doesn't mean they are deluded, hypocritical or otherwise have a simplistic motivation.

Even the right-wing press and UKIP seem rather unsure what to make of it all. It's only on here and Facebook that I see such confidence in approaching the issue. I think that suggests it isn't so clear-cut.

Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 35799798)

Link.
When do the rest of us get all that?

So actually many times the 20,000 to arrive here.

Originally Posted by Russ (Post 35799764)

Putting words in my mouth again; I've already addressed that the last time you suggested it.

Originally Posted by techguyone (Post 35799768)

Hate to burst your bubble but...
We didn't join a Union, we joined something called the Common Market (the clue is in the name)

We never voted for anything beyond that, we had a referendum about 5 minutes after joining and no clue was what happening back in the 70's

Your bloody Union has spread like a Cancer far beyond what it was envisaged back in the day.

Happily however, after a LOT of campaigning, we WILL now get a chance to vote on whether to stay in or out of said... Union

Don't bother trying to guess what I'll be voting for ;)

Originally Posted by Osem (Post 35799789)

Spirit of the word Union :rofl:

Germany's showing their definition of the word - creating a problem then telling the rest of the EU how they're going to have to deal with it just like they did with Greece.

Anyway I'm sure all those who've forced their way through numerous countries are going to queue up nicely in Germany and happily wait for their buses to Latvia, Poland, Lithuania, Slovakia in full expectation of a warm welcome and a better life... :rolleyes:

Let's see what 'union' looks like then eh?

What needs to happen for the hard of mental ability is to stop the problem nearer to the source and not let hundreds of thousands of people feel they can overwhelm borders and choose where they go. When we've got to that point the real damage is done and the only choice is to then erect national borders to try to stem the flow and discourage other from following. That's exactly what's happened as a result of the EU's dithering and Merkel's welcome.

Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees (Post 35799841)

Ok explain clearly and categorically how it should work ?

Originally Posted by Osem (Post 35799789)

What needs to happen for the hard of mental ability is to stop the problem nearer to the source and not let hundreds of thousands of people feel they can overwhelm borders and choose where they go

Originally Posted by Russ (Post 35799851)

Is there any point if you're not going to pay attention to it?

Originally Posted by techguyone (Post 35799881)

I forgot you were probably about 2 when we joined, believe me it was referred to as the Common Market, then later on the EEC.

We joined in 73 had a referendum in 75 long before it mutated into the European Behemoth with mass powers in Brussels overriding sovereign ones.

Originally Posted by Russ (Post 35799851)

Is there any point if you're not going to pay attention to it?

Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 35799874)

Osem never says how we "stop the problem nearer to the source". Can someone ask him this as I suspect he has me in his ignore list ;)

Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees (Post 35799898)

Bravo I have genuine difficulty trying to get where you coming from so I ask you to explain clearly to continue a reasoned debate and rather than oblige you would rather insult and again patronise

From a mod too.....

Originally Posted by Russ (Post 35799901)

Admin. And we're not immune to people ignoring points we make. If you feel I've insulted you you know where the 'report post' button is.

Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees (Post 35799898)

Funny that he also hasn't answered several reasonable questions put to him likes his rants mind you !

Originally Posted by techguyone (Post 35799913)

I'm quite interested in seeing Ignitionnets take on this, because he's generally quite rational & sensible, too much point scoring & head in the sand attitude here atm.
Reality may not be a nice place to be, but it is more real than the Fairyland several members seem to think they inhabit.

Originally Posted by techguyone (Post 35799913)

I'm quite interested in seeing Ignitionnets take on this, because he's generally quite rational & sensible, too much point scoring & head in the sand attitude here atm.

Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 35799939)

You mean you want him to post because he agrees with you then ..

Originally Posted by Osem (Post 35799988)

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-34345640

It was all so very predictable...