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Pierre 02-08-2020 17:01
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 36045443)
The "British" culture referred to is best viewed through a set of myopic, Empire tinted spectacles :)
Must be really depressing to hate yourself so much.

I, on the other hand, love being a white British working/middle class male.

I perceive my “culture” as being polite, tolerant of others, freedom of choice, thought and speech. Fighting for what is right, not being bullied, Promotion of women rights LGBTQ Rights, BAME rights ( don’t like The acronym BAME, but there we are), as a nation Supporting developing countries.

Many of these ideas not shared by immigrant communities.

We have a past, of course, you could certainly argue a lot of it exploitative, but we also built infrastructure, and brought wealth and knowledge. A lot of which is still utilised by these nations.

I don’t carry the burden of previous generations Questionable actions on my shoulders, But I do recognise many of their achievements. Am I biased, of course I am, and I don’t care.

Sephiroth 02-08-2020 17:17
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 36045443)
So, much like the English abroad then?

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The "British" culture referred to is best viewed through a set of myopic, Empire tinted spectacles :)
Utter bollox. Prove it?

ianch99 02-08-2020 17:41
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36045452)
Must be really depressing to hate yourself so much.

I, on the other hand, love being a white British working/middle class male.

I perceive my “culture” as being polite, tolerant of others, freedom of choice, thought and speech. Fighting for what is right, not being bullied, Promotion of women rights LGBTQ Rights, BAME rights ( don’t like The acronym BAME, but there we are), as a nation Supporting developing countries.

Many of these ideas not shared by immigrant communities.

We have a past, of course, you could certainly argue a lot of it exploitative, but we also built infrastructure, and brought wealth and knowledge. A lot of which is still utilised by these nations.

I don’t carry the burden of previous generations Questionable actions on my shoulders, But I do recognise many of their achievements. Am I biased, of course I am, and I don’t care.
I do not hate my self. Once you start with the personal ad-hominem attacks then you have pretty much lost the argument. So thank you for your post ..

You list a set of virtuous traits that represent your perceived "culture" but the end of the political spectrum you seem to affiliate yourself to is dedicated to the opposite so you seem to be a contradiction.

You also aim to validate Colonialism by the perceived benefits the occupier gave to the occupied. You clearly abdicate yourself and your "culture" of any negative aspects associated with Empire but are more that willing to claim its "benefits". A wonderful smorgasboard of contradiction.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36045454)
Utter bollox. Prove it?
Nothing for me to prove here. All people need to do is to read your posts .. the evidence is all there.

Maggy 02-08-2020 17:43
Re: Coronavirus
 
Topic? I'm sure we have veered right away from it.

jfman 02-08-2020 17:52
Re: Coronavirus
 
It’s certainly veered right...

Pierre 02-08-2020 18:01
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 36045458)
I do not hate my self.
You appear to hate your nations history, your history. Such self loathing cannot be healthy

Quote:
Once you start with the personal ad-hominem attacks then you have pretty much lost the argument. So thank you for your post ..
wasn’t an attack, just an observation, an accurate one by your response

Quote:
You list a set of virtuous traits that represent your perceived "culture" but the end of the political spectrum you seem to affiliate yourself to is dedicated to the opposite so you seem to be a contradiction.
you’re going to have to explain yourself there, as I don’t see any contradiction, so detail where that is.

Quote:
You also aim to validate Colonialism by the perceived benefits the occupier gave to the occupied.
. I don’t validate it, I acknowledge the exploitative actions, but not everything In the empire days was negative or had a negative impact - that is aN unavoidable fact, it may not sit Well with your Narrative, but it’s a fact.

Quote:
You clearly abdicate yourself and your "culture" of any negative aspects associated with Empire
Oh I do, absolutely, it all happened long before I was born, I don’t carry the burden of the sins of my fathers

Quote:
but are more that willing to claim its "benefits". A wonderful smorgasboard of contradiction.
in so far as I don’t carry the sins of our fathers, you are right to point out that neither should I highlight the positives.

But it would be strange to not acknowledge the benefit of the rail infrastructure in India, for example? It still benefits the country today - does it not? Or do you consider it detrimental?

Quote:
Nothing for me to prove here. All people need to do is to read your posts .. the evidence is all there.
Indeed it is.

jfman 02-08-2020 18:15
Re: Coronavirus
 
https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/13...hielding-rules

Concerns from the “demand” side of the economy.

Pierre 02-08-2020 18:22
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36045464)
https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/13...hielding-rules

Concerns from the “demand” side of the economy.
Well I can’t speak for the nation, but I don’t recognise that scenario. Up here in West Yorkshire things are carrying on pretty much as normal.

Hugh 02-08-2020 18:43
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 36045421)
But they ARE being criticised for going to the beach etc. The key difference is that I'm not aware of any evidence that it has lead to any town/city wide lockdowns. Another huge key difference is the level of interaction between groups.


Many areas have their own walk-in testing setups. The care homes can use that.

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How would that make a difference? There would still be an intermingling between those separate groups at one stage or another.
Many of the occupants of care homes have limited mobility (which is often why they are in care homes, as well as dementia/Alzheimer’s) - "walk in" testing centres aren’t really appropriate for the majority of residents.

jfman 02-08-2020 19:05
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36045465)
Well I can’t speak for the nation, but I don’t recognise that scenario. Up here in West Yorkshire things are carrying on pretty much as normal.
Well that’s the thing with narrow observations is that it doesn’t capture consumer spend or necessarily reflect the national picture. It’s just your own perception which is rather subjective.

People on furlough may be ‘observed’ to be out and about to get out the house however not making the same amount of discretionary spend prior to Covid.

Every pub I’ve been in that’s usually standing room only is filling their seats to comply with distancing however no standing. So, observably busy, but still trading far below normal.

denphone 03-08-2020 17:09
Re: Coronavirus
 
Some interesting thoughts from Eleanor Roaf Trafford's health chief who says declaration of major incident shows spread not just prevalent in BAME groups.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...hite-community

Quote:
Eleanor Roaf, the director of public health in Trafford, said 80% of its infections in the last week were in the white community, and she urged the region’s 2.8 million residents to concentrate “much harder on what we can do to stop the wider spread”.
Quote:
Much of the coverage of the region’s rise in infections has focused on Oldham, where officials said last week that two-thirds of new cases were in the town’s Pakistani and Bangladeshi communities.
Quote:
She added: “The Trafford narrative is that it is a very white outbreak in Trafford. In other places the narrative is quite different. One of the anxieties is that we don’t end up with a complacent white middle class thinking it’s not affecting them because they think it’s about overcrowding in ethnic minority families.”

jfman 03-08-2020 17:28
Re: Coronavirus
 
The Rona is coming for everyone!

nashville 03-08-2020 17:34
Re: Coronavirus
 
My son and his wife went to Germany today, They were tested as soon as they arrived with sniffer dogs , Thank God they were OK, I wonder if the same will be done in Scotland when they come back, I doubt it,

OLD BOY 03-08-2020 17:36
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36045541)
The Rona is coming for everyone!
It's about time you acknowledged that. The virus is going nowhere anytime soon.

Bunker down, jfman!

jfman 03-08-2020 17:44
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36045545)
It's about time you acknowledged that. The virus is going nowhere anytime soon.

Bunker down, jfman!
I’m merely acknowledging that white exceptionalism and not living in “multi-generational households” aren’t going to save anyone. Public health measures, and adhering to them, could if done effectively.

OLD BOY 03-08-2020 17:48
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36045550)
I’m merely acknowledging that white exceptionalism and not living in “multi-generational households” aren’t going to save anyone. Public health measures, and adhering to them, could if done effectively.
Locking down won't save anyone either, unless you lockdown at risk groups and let the virus work through the healthy population.

Total lockdown for years will not work. The virus will still be capable of striking us all down when everyone finally emerges.

jfman 03-08-2020 17:48
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36045552)
Locking down won't save anyone either, unless you lockdown at risk groups and let the virus work through the healthy population.

Total lockdown for years will not work. The virus will still be capable of striking us all down when everyone finally emerges.
Nobody has ever proposed to lock down for years. There’s a classic Old Boy straw man trying to defeat an argument nobody actually made.

OLD BOY 03-08-2020 18:28
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36045553)
Nobody has ever proposed to lock down for years. There’s a classic Old Boy straw man trying to defeat an argument nobody actually made.
Really? How long should a further total lockdown last, then, in your opinion, and how will that achieve anything?

jfman 03-08-2020 18:31
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36045564)
Rea,ly? How long should a further total lockdown last, then, in youropinion, and how will that achieve anything?
Old Boy there’s little value debating you on the subject your opinion is clear to let people develop complications and die as a result with some kind of perverse view that the economy will bounce back ignoring that you are introducing demand side shocks which entrench the recession for years to come.

OLD BOY 03-08-2020 18:36
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36045565)
Old Boy there’s little value debating you on the subject your opinion is clear to let people develop complications and die as a result with some kind of perverse view that the economy will bounce back ignoring that you are introducing demand side shocks which entrench the recession for years to come.
You didn't answer my legitimate question and as you well know, I have not advocated vulnerable people being exposed to the virus.

:walk:

jfman 03-08-2020 18:40
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36045566)
You didn't answer my legitimate question and as you well know, I have not advocated vulnerable people being exposed to the virus.

:walk:
You have no way of knowing who will develop complications. You can risk assess, but that’s not black and white. Neither does it consider the collapse of the health service as and when the epidemic went out of control.

Every country in the world, bar Sweden, didn’t simultaneously decide to impose significant restrictions because Old Boy’s fag packet analysis reckons we can “shield the vulnerable” and be fine.

It’s an idea so bad not a single emerging economy thought to get the jump on its neighbours by staying open. No Southern European country thought to get a jump on France and Germany. And the countries who pushed too far are moving backwards.

To quote Professor Whitty we are near or at the limit of what we can do.

Pierre 03-08-2020 20:35
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by nashville (Post 36045544)
My son and his wife went to Germany today, They were tested as soon as they arrived with sniffer dogs , Thank God they were OK, I wonder if the same will be done in Scotland when they come back, I doubt it,
Impressive, Corona virus sniffer dogs? What’s the accuracy percentage?

Do these dogs have testing kits with them too?

Chris 03-08-2020 20:58
Re: Coronavirus
 
I’m guessing the dogs identify general symptoms of a fever, indicating who deserves closer attention - unless of course they just happened to be doing a drugs sweep at the same time.

denphone 03-08-2020 21:11
Re: Coronavirus
 
Actually the government in this country are doing dog trials to detect Covid 19.

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/c...trial-launches

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...ns-of-covid-19

Hugh 03-08-2020 21:13
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36045578)
Impressive, Corona virus sniffer dogs? What’s the accuracy percentage?

Do these dogs have testing kits with them too?
https://www.news-medical.net/news/20...-accuracy.aspx
Quote:
Sniffer dogs detect COVID-19 infections with 94 percent accuracy

... To arrive at their findings, the team trained eight detection dogs to sniff out SARS-CoV-2-infected samples for one week. The training aims to hone the smelling power of the dogs to detect saliva or tracheobronchial secretions of infected patients in a randomized, double-blinded, and controlled study.

The trained dogs sniffed the saliva of more than 1,000 people that were either healthy or infected with the virus. The samples of coronavirus disease (COVID-19) patients were distributed at random.

During the study, the dogs achieved an overall average detection rate of 94 percent with 157 correct indications of positive, 792 correct rejections of negative, 33 incorrect indications of negative or incorrect rejections of 30 positive sample presentations.

"These preliminary findings indicate that trained detection dogs can identify respiratory secretion samples from hospitalized and clinically diseased SARS-CoV-2 infected individuals by discriminating between samples from SARS-CoV-2 infected patients and negative controls. This data may form the basis for the reliable screening method of SARS-CoV-2 infected people," the researchers concluded in the study.

Pierre 03-08-2020 21:41
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36045585)
All we need to do is train up a posse of these hounds and do systematic sweeps throughout town centres, pubs/clubs, schools, factories etc.

Job done.

Chris 03-08-2020 23:21
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36045585)
I’m not much of a statistician but “94% detection success” seems a bit misleading to me. Passing over a negative sample isn’t a detection as such. What you really need is a very high detection of positive samples, and the dogs failed to spot 30 of the 187 positive samples presented. That’s a positive detection of only 84%.

Carth 03-08-2020 23:21
Re: Coronavirus
 
Dogs probably have the same accuracy percentage as any of the tests available.

IMO :Yes:

Mr K 04-08-2020 07:11
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 36045584)
Actually the government in this country are doing dog trials to detect Covid 19.

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/c...trial-launches

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...ns-of-covid-19
Great, that's more gold plated public sector pensions we'll have to shell out for. Dogs have got it made.

denphone 04-08-2020 07:27
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36045600)
Great, that's more gold plated public sector pensions we'll have to shell out for. Dogs have got it made.
That is because dogs know how to get it done Mr K.;)

tweetiepooh 04-08-2020 11:28
Re: Coronavirus
 
As I've mentioned before, what you need is a very high accuracy and fast negative test or simply infectivity test. If you know people who are out and about are not infective movement becomes much easier. Of course the downer comes that they remain non-infective.
If dogs can give a good and fast indicator maybe it's possible to then stream populations into further testing/isolation/treatment.

1andrew1 04-08-2020 13:20
Re: Coronavirus
 
Good article on how Turkey is successfully tackling Coronavirus with just 6,000 deaths in a country of 83 million people.

Quote:
Much of the country's success in containing the disease has been put down to Turkey’s so-called COVID-19 "detectives".
Turkey has managed to test millions of people for the virus and has registered more recoveries from the disease than infections for the past four weeks on the trot.
One of the country's leading doctors told Sky News that Turkey's relatively low mortality rate is down to the extensive testing and tracing network, as well as aggressive treatment in the early stages of the disease...
Every child, relative, acquaintance, workmate and secret lover of every person who tests positive is found and told to isolate for 14 days.
We don't want them to lie to us," says Dr Melek...
"Often we make them remember people, locations, instances they have just completely forgotten. We are truly like detectives."
https://news.sky.com/story/coronavir...ntrol-12041863

RichardCoulter 05-08-2020 00:59
Re: Coronavirus
 
On now:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m000lkzq

Jeremy Farrar, one of the scientific advisors to the Government, says, amongst other things, that we started measures to stop the spread of the virus (he dislikes the word 'lockdown') too late, eased these measures too soon and that it was unwise to outsource the work done to monitor viruses.

He also said that the this will not be the last pandemic, so we must learn lessons from this one and that the investigation into how the Government dealt with it must be thorough and open and that we must not underestimate the seriousness of this situation.

Mad Max 05-08-2020 01:11
Re: Coronavirus
 
Get the dugs in....

RichardCoulter 05-08-2020 01:18
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mad Max (Post 36045668)
Get the dugs in....
I don't think he was having a dig at the Government as they will have followed the advice of him and his colleagues, so he would be essentially critiscising himself!

Unless the Government didn't take their advice as they have claimed and that's what he was getting at. Hopefully it will all come out in the wash with the enquiry into it.

mrmistoffelees 05-08-2020 08:42
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36045617)
Good article on how Turkey is successfully tackling Coronavirus with just 6,000 deaths in a country of 83 million people.


https://news.sky.com/story/coronavir...ntrol-12041863
The Mediterranean coast of Turkey is doing very well, very little in the way of cases and/or deaths. They locked down early and in a much more draconian manner than the UK. there were huge fines (even by UK standards, 5,000 Euro fine for being on the beach for example) Speaking to a friend who owns multiple hotels in Antalya,Side & Alanya areas Tourism is only now very slowly starting to pick up.

jonbxx 05-08-2020 08:48
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees (Post 36045677)
The Mediterranean coast of Turkey is doing very well, very little in the way of cases and/or deaths. They locked down early and in a much more draconian manner than the UK. there were huge fines (even by UK standards, 5,000 Euro fine for being on the beach for example) Speaking to a friend who owns multiple hotels in Antalya,Side & Alanya areas Tourism is only now very slowly starting to pick up.
I'll let you know as we're going there soon. Mind you, we had our flights rescheduled and hotel changed as the one we booked is still closed...

mrmistoffelees 05-08-2020 09:28
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jonbxx (Post 36045678)
I'll let you know as we're going there soon. Mind you, we had our flights rescheduled and hotel changed as the one we booked is still closed...
SWMBO and I off there soon (early september) which area you off too?

jonbxx 05-08-2020 10:45
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees (Post 36045687)
SWMBO and I off there soon (early september) which area you off too?
Avsalar, not a million miles from Antalya. The hotel we're staying at is very proactive in communicating their COVID controls which gives a lot of confidence

mrmistoffelees 05-08-2020 10:55
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jonbxx (Post 36045706)
Avsalar, not a million miles from Antalya. The hotel we're staying at is very proactive in communicating their COVID controls which gives a lot of confidence
We're staying (hopefully) just outside of Alanya, same as you the hotel have been excellent in communicating how they're going to handle everything (They don't reopen to guests until 15th August)

denphone 05-08-2020 12:41
Re: Coronavirus
 
Lockdown measures are to be reimposed in the Aberdeen area after a spike in coronavirus cases.

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavir...cases-12042945

Mad Max 05-08-2020 12:47
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 36045724)
Lockdown measures are to be reimposed in the Aberdeen area after a spike in coronavirus cases.

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavir...cases-12042945
Yeah just saw that, a huge number of 54 ppl infected :rolleyes:

denphone 05-08-2020 12:50
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mad Max (Post 36045728)
Yeah just saw that, a huge number of 54 ppl infected :rolleyes:
Yeah that is certainly a fair number that is for sure.

Carth 05-08-2020 12:56
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mad Max (Post 36045728)
Yeah just saw that, a huge number of 54 ppl infected :rolleyes:
does it say how many have symptoms?


*asking for a friend that thinks 50% of tests are wrong

mrmistoffelees 05-08-2020 13:04
Re: Coronavirus
 
Tighter than the English restrictions too it would appear

Mad Max 05-08-2020 13:07
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 36045729)
Yeah that is certainly a fair number that is for sure.
Out of a population of approx 220k, I dont think so, Den.

---------- Post added at 13:07 ---------- Previous post was at 13:05 ----------

Quote:
Originally Posted by Carth (Post 36045731)
does it say how many have symptoms?


*asking for a friend that thinks 50% of tests are wrong

No mate, not sure what that would be, but lets just close all bars and restaurants everywhere and let those businesses close.

denphone 05-08-2020 13:09
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mad Max (Post 36045734)
Out of a population of approx 220k, I dont think so, Den.
Its enough to lockdown again though as L am not talking about the whole population of the city.

mrmistoffelees 05-08-2020 13:12
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mad Max (Post 36045734)
Out of a population of approx 220k, I dont think so, Den.

---------- Post added at 13:07 ---------- Previous post was at 13:05 ----------




No mate, not sure what that would be, but lets just close all bars and restaurants everywhere and let those businesses close.
Your use of the reported case count as a method of determining if an area should be placed into lockdown isn't relevant as the lockdown isn't designed to contain those 54 reported, individuals it's designed to contain whomever they may have have passed it onto and subsequent generations of infection risk.

Hardly rocket science to understand.

denphone 05-08-2020 13:13
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mad Max (Post 36045734)
No mate, not sure what that would be, but lets just close all bars and restaurants everywhere and let those businesses close.
As the Chief medical officer Professor Chris Whitty has stated the country is pretty near the limit for opening up society and that means there will have to be some hard choices ahead.

Mad Max 05-08-2020 13:14
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees (Post 36045737)
Your use of the reported case count as a method of determining if an area should be placed into lockdown isn't relevant as the lockdown isn't designed to contain those 54 reported, individuals it's designed to contain whomever they may have have passed it onto and subsequent generations of infection risk.

Hardly rocket science to understand.
No bother, Einstein!

mrmistoffelees 05-08-2020 13:16
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mad Max (Post 36045740)
No bother, Einstein!
Wernher Magnus Maximilian Freiherr von Braun would be the better name to use.

Mad Max 05-08-2020 13:19
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees (Post 36045741)
Wernher Magnus Maximilian Freiherr von Braun would be the better name to use.
Ok rocket man....;)

mrmistoffelees 05-08-2020 13:21
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mad Max (Post 36045742)
Ok rocket man....;)
No need to bring Elton John into this ;)

Mad Max 05-08-2020 13:23
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees (Post 36045744)
No need to bring Elton John into this ;)

Good one.....:D

Hugh 05-08-2020 13:34
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Carth (Post 36045731)
does it say how many have symptoms?


*asking for a friend that thinks 50% of tests are wrong
Unless your "friend" is a virologist or an epidemiologist, You should ignore you, sorry, him... ;)

Carth 05-08-2020 14:00
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36045749)
Unless your "friend" is a virologist or an epidemiologist, You should ignore you, sorry, him... ;)
Proof either way?

Hugh 05-08-2020 14:55
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Carth (Post 36045756)
Proof either way?
You (sorry, your "friend") think "50% of tests are wrong" - you(‘re friend) back it up... ;)

Pierre 05-08-2020 15:16
Re: Coronavirus
 
The wife is showing a few symptoms - could just be a cold - so I thought I'd see if I could get a test sent to me. Went on the Gov website, went through loads of questions got to the end, only to be told they can't send out kits in my area.

Here was I foolishly thinking we had loads of test capacity? anyway not driving to a test centre, she'll have to rough it out, pretty sure it's nothing sinister.

mrmistoffelees 05-08-2020 15:19
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36045765)
The wife is showing a few symptoms - could just be a cold - so I thought I'd see if I could get a test sent to me. Went on the Gov website, went through loads of questions got to the end, only to be told they can't send out kits in my area.

Here was I foolishly thinking we had loads of test capacity? anyway not driving to a test centre, she'll have to rough it out, pretty sure it's nothing sinister.
Does this mean you'll both/all be self isolating ?

downquark1 05-08-2020 15:21
Re: Coronavirus
 
There were reports of very poor tests being sold early on, but I would hope all of that has been sorted out. Now there are many different tests and it's hard to know which one people are talking about.

Carth 05-08-2020 15:23
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36045759)
You (sorry, your "friend") think "50% of tests are wrong" - you(‘re friend) back it up... ;)
Can't back anything up - either way - when all the figures are messed up using differing criteria ;)

Let's be honest, do you believe all the facts & figures in the public domain regarding Covid 19?


oh, and while I'm here . . this little snippet has failed to find it's way here. Strange considering the previous arguments about it ;)

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-53651954

Quote:
"Our findings explain why we are seeing outbreaks in places like Leicester, densely populated areas with multigenerational households. Many people are also struggling to pay bills so have to leave their homes to work.


The report also found ethnic minorities are less likely to know about government messaging like "Stay Home" and economic measures like the furlough scheme.

papa smurf 05-08-2020 15:30
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Carth (Post 36045768)
Can't back anything up - either way - when all the figures are messed up using differing criteria ;)

Let's be honest, do you believe all the facts & figures in the public domain regarding Covid 19?
Most of it is up there with flat earth theory.

nashville 05-08-2020 16:09
Re: Coronavirus
 
Love that the Pubs are open, for people who want a pint or two but people must still be careful It is not really party time yet

jfman 05-08-2020 17:23
Re: Coronavirus
 
More good news from Sweden, not only are they some considerable distance from “herd immunity”

http://outbreaknewstoday.com/sweden-...-donors-98648/

Their economy is also tanking

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-53664354

Shrinking 8.6% in Q2. Proving the old adage that people don’t want risk death during a global pandemic for the sake of a pizza, coffee or even a muffin.

In some genuinely good news though they are advising to work from home this Autumn for all the middle class people who get to enjoy the pandemic on Microsoft Teams.

https://www.thelocal.se/20200730/swe...port-work-home

I don’t foresee any unrest or political ramifications from enshrining a two tier society as those most at risk in terms of health are also in the most precarious work.

Hugh 05-08-2020 18:05
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36045769)
Most of it is up there with flat earth theory.
Not really - one is based on peer-reviewed science, changing when new evidence is found (as all good science should), and the other is just something that has no basis in reality whatsoever.

Sad that you think it is a valid comparison...

papa smurf 05-08-2020 18:14
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36045777)
Not really - one is based on peer-reviewed science, changing when new evidence is found (as all good science should), and the other is just something that has no basis in reality whatsoever.

Sad that you think it is a valid comparison...
I see you still believe the Earth is flat then, but i do agree with you that this corona science has no basis in reality [let's shut the ice cream vendors down to make it safe for kids to return to school] and other such nonsense...........

jfman 05-08-2020 18:30
Re: Coronavirus
 
It’s never been about activity A being safer than activity B. It’s about reducing interactions.

Schools have the added benefit of allowing those working from home to actually work from home and not be parents while banging out a couple of emails. Increasing productivity. Unless the ice cream shop wants to keep them 6 hours a day.

papa smurf 05-08-2020 18:35
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36045779)
It’s never been about activity A being safer than activity B. It’s about reducing interactions.

Schools have the added benefit of allowing those working from home to actually work from home and not be parents while banging out a couple of emails. Increasing productivity. Unless the ice cream shop wants to keep them 6 hours a day.
If they keep eating ice cream they can stay as long as they like;)

Sephiroth 05-08-2020 21:04
Re: Coronavirus
 
Waitrose have got milk choc ices back in stock!

Hugh 05-08-2020 21:23
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36045778)
I see you still believe the Earth is flat then, but i do agree with you that this corona science has no basis in reality [let's shut the ice cream vendors down to make it safe for kids to return to school] and other such nonsense...........
Interesting interpretation of what I posted - it explains a lot of your posts.

There’s no shame in not understanding something, but it’s not something to celebrate, either...

jfman 05-08-2020 21:30
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36045792)
Waitrose have got milk choc ices back in stock!
Just in time for the heatwave.

pip08456 05-08-2020 22:26
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36045795)
Interesting interpretation of what I posted - it explains a lot of your posts.

There’s no shame in not understanding something, but it’s not something to celebrate, either...
Ever thought it could just be taking the piss?

Hugh 05-08-2020 23:39
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 36045800)
Ever thought it could just be taking the piss?
Ever thought I knew that... ;)

pip08456 06-08-2020 01:25
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36045803)
Ever thought I knew that... ;)
You keep thinking every thought. You can be at peace then.

Paul 06-08-2020 02:56
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36045775)
In some genuinely good news though they are advising to work from home this Autumn for all the middle class people who get to enjoy the pandemic on Microsoft Teams.
Microsoft Teams is not particularly enjoyable, like most M$ products, its UI is horrible. I dont think its restricted to "middle class" either.

pip08456 06-08-2020 07:57
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36045813)
Microsoft Teams is not particularly enjoyable, like most M$ products, its UI is horrible. I dont think its restricted to "middle class" either.
I hate most Microsoft products but hey ho if it allows most to work from home then fair enough.

In other news.The BOE doesn't project as quick a recovery as it thought previously.

https://www.cityam.com/bank-of-engla...ampaign=buffer

Chris 06-08-2020 08:46
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36045813)
Microsoft Teams is not particularly enjoyable, like most M$ products, its UI is horrible. I dont think its restricted to "middle class" either.
It’s a massive resource hog as well. You lot with your souped-up rigs probably don’t notice, but when missus suddenly started having to run her school class through MS Teams on her little Surface tablet/laptop thingy, it pretty much collapsed under the strain.

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Quote:
Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 36045814)
I hate most Microsoft products but hey ho if it allows most to work from home then fair enough.

In other news.The BOE doesn't project as quick a recovery as it thought previously.

https://www.cityam.com/bank-of-engla...ampaign=buffer
It also now believes the contraction was 9% and not 14% as it suggested in May. It believes the economy will be back at its pre-Covid size by the end of 2021.

jfman 06-08-2020 09:09
Re: Coronavirus
 
Be interesting to know the underlying assumptions behind that figure.

Carth 06-08-2020 09:26
Re: Coronavirus
 
Probably the same assumptions as when the economy was going to crash, we'd all lose our jobs, there'd be massive food shortages and house prices would plummet to the equivalent of a 4 pack of Mars Bars . . ooops, got carried away there, sorry :D

mrmistoffelees 06-08-2020 10:06
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36045815)
It’s a massive resource hog as well. You lot with your souped-up rigs probably don’t notice, but when missus suddenly started having to run her school class through MS Teams on her little Surface tablet/laptop thingy, it pretty much collapsed under the strain.

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It also now believes the contraction was 9% and not 14% as it suggested in May. It believes the economy will be back at its pre-Covid size by the end of 2021.

Try using WebEx.....

We went from a perfectly good VC platform (Zoom & Zoom Rooms) because higher ups decided we NEEDED WebEx

Festering pile of kacka

tweetiepooh 06-08-2020 10:10
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Carth (Post 36045820)
Probably the same assumptions as when the economy was going to crash, we'd all lose our jobs, there'd be massive food shortages and house prices would plummet to the equivalent of a 4 pack of Mars Bars . . ooops, got carried away there, sorry :D
But the price of Mars Bars would skyrocket.

The BoE predictions are also based on no huge 2nd wave of infections.

I'm hoping that our policy though having a higher "baseline" than others will flatten out any peaks following the aim to not overwhelm the NHS.

Pierre 06-08-2020 13:17
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36045779)
It’s never been about activity A being safer than activity B. It’s about reducing interactions.

Schools have the added benefit of allowing those working from home to actually work from home and not be parents while banging out a couple of emails. Increasing productivity. Unless the ice cream shop wants to keep them 6 hours a day.
You've got that right!

I'd risk exposing my two to the bubonic plague to get them from under my feet.

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Quote:
Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36045775)
In some genuinely good news though they are advising to work from home this Autumn for all the middle class people who get to enjoy the pandemic on Microsoft Teams.
.
Genuinely odd statement, how does using technology for work equate to the class system?

Damien 06-08-2020 13:17
Re: Coronavirus
 
A little bubonic plague never hurt anyone.

Pierre 06-08-2020 13:19
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees (Post 36045824)
Try using WebEx.....
we use WebEx at work, any other software is banned.

Chris 06-08-2020 13:31
Re: Coronavirus
 
The LEA has standardised all schools onto Google Classroom now, which the high schools were already using for homework and projects.

I suspect that, absent any time for proper evaluation when lockdown occurred, someone at the council just assumed the MS product was the one to choose. Our LEA is however now supplying free chromebooks to all high school pupils so they’re pushing everyone onto Google products as far as possible.

Carth 06-08-2020 14:31
Re: Coronavirus
 
Pity that Google don't do Covid 19 tests . . . they do damn near everything else :D

1andrew1 06-08-2020 14:50
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Carth (Post 36045843)
Pity that Google don't do Covid 19 tests . . . they do damn near everything else :D
If Carlsberg did Covid tests? :D

Pierre 06-08-2020 15:24
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36045775)
More good news from Sweden, not only are they some considerable distance from “herd immunity”

http://outbreaknewstoday.com/sweden-...-donors-98648/

Their economy is also tanking

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-53664354

Shrinking 8.6% in Q2. Proving the old adage that people don’t want risk death during a global pandemic for the sake of a pizza, coffee or even a muffin.

In some genuinely good news though they are advising to work from home this Autumn for all the middle class people who get to enjoy the pandemic on Microsoft Teams.

https://www.thelocal.se/20200730/swe...port-work-home

I don’t foresee any unrest or political ramifications from enshrining a two tier society as those most at risk in terms of health are also in the most precarious work.
Funny how things can be reported differently

https://www.newsweek.com/sweden-whic...C_Wz4XFbbtWCO8

Chris 06-08-2020 15:32
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Carth (Post 36045843)
Pity that Google don't do Covid 19 tests . . . they do damn near everything else :D
They do seem to be quietly taking over... chromebooks, google office apps and all that stuff have been around for years now but it seems finally they’ve started to eat into the assumption that you have to go with M$ if you want office software.

Local councils all over Scotland have been devising programmes to hand out chromebooks to kids over a period of years, originally in our area just the new first years at high school were going to get them, then with Covid and the prospect of schools being shut again they decided to give them to the first 3 years, then they ran a survey and found - unsurprisingly - that in no school year do the pupils have access to their own laptop in any significant numbers. So now the 4th years are getting them too. I’m delighted, this means both the high schoolers in our household are getting a new free computer in the next couple of weeks. Hopefully they’ll be able to use them at school this term instead of retreating to lockdown again.

joglynne 06-08-2020 16:28
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Coronavirus: Safety concerns halt use of 50 million NHS masks

snippet
On 29 April the Department of Health and Social Care signed the £252m contract with Ayanda Capital Limited to supply two types of face masks.

The most expensive part of the order consisted of 50 million FFP2 respirator masks, which are designed to protect healthcare workers from inhaling harmful particles.

According to legal papers seen by the BBC, the government says these masks will now not be used in the NHS because of a safety concern about whether they would fit adequately.

To be effective these types of face mask need to fit tightly to create a seal between the mask and the wearer's face. Anyone who wears them for work is required to undergo a face-fit test.

"The face fit is either a pass or a fail and there are more fails on products with ear loops than there are on products with head harnesses," says Alan Murray, chief executive of the British Safety Industry Federation.

"That means that it wouldn't necessarily provide the protection that was required from it."

It is not clear what will happen now to the 50 million masks.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-53672841?xtor=ES-211-[34671_PANUK_SOT_31_CNV_Send22EngagedCNV1to21_RET_B]-20200806-[bbcnews_safetyconcernshaltuseof50millionmasks_news healthcvd]

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An interesting article. .
Quote:
'Not as bad as we think' ITV GMB's Dr Khan explains how UK coronavirus data has improved
ITV GMB's Dr Amir Khan reassured viewers on Thursday morning as he explained how the latest coronavirus data shows the UK is doing better than it may seem despite new local lockdowns being imposed across the country.

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The Doctor referred to a new report from the country's largest testing study which found that coronavirus infection rates continued to decline even when some lockdown restrictions had been lifted.

The research, conducted by Imperial College London and Ipsos MORI, involved 150,000 volunteers across England being tested for COVID-19 between June 19 and July 8 to determine the scope of the spread of the virus throughout the country.

An initial report from the study, released last month, found that the rate of infection throughout the country was halving every eight to nine days during May.

The study's second report has now revealed there was further decline of infection in late June and early July, with the virus continuing to halve every eight to nine days during this period before ultimately falling to just under eight positive cases per 10,000 people.

This was despite the reopening of non-essential shops and restrictions being eased to allow the public to have more interaction with people outside their households.

In contrast to the first report, the second report also showed there were no significant differences between the rates of infection for key workers and non-key workers.
https://www.express.co.uk/showbiz/tv...centage-report

jfman 06-08-2020 17:02
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36045848)
Funny how things can be reported differently

https://www.newsweek.com/sweden-whic...C_Wz4XFbbtWCO8
It’s a positive spin, but where’s the herd immunity or growing economy? In the absence of either of those the strategy doesn’t work on either health or economic grounds.

Sweden by definition can’t have a second wave when the first is ongoing.

Hugh 06-08-2020 17:44
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by joglynne (Post 36045855)
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-53672841?xtor=ES-211-[34671_PANUK_SOT_31_CNV_Send22EngagedCNV1to21_RET_B]-20200806-[bbcnews_safetyconcernshaltuseof50millionmasks_news healthcvd]

---------- Post added at 16:28 ---------- Previous post was at 15:42 ----------

An interesting article. .

https://www.express.co.uk/showbiz/tv...centage-report
"Interesting" story behind the company supplying the masks...

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/h...-ppe-wmps5kpjh
Quote:
The biggest contract was awarded to an obscure company with no history in the sector: Ayanda Capital. The deal was arranged by Andrew Mills, 56, a businessman who registered an offer to supply facemasks and other PPE on April 11. He told officials that he had secured “exclusive rights to the full production capacity of a large factory in China to produce masks” and could supply a very large volume immediately, documents filed in a legal case show.

Mr Mills, who once ran a technology company and has held jobs at Samsung and IBM, was working on behalf of Tim Horlick, a former investment banker and the chief executive of Ayanda, a family investment company. Mr Horlick said Mr Mills was a business associate who he had asked to assist Ayanda with the project “given his relationships with the Department for International Trade and his experience in international business and sales”. Since October 2017, Mr Mills has served as an adviser to the Board of Trade in the Department for International Trade.

He made the initial approach to the government in the name of Prospermill, a small company he had set up with his wife the previous year which has not yet filed any accounts and has £100 of share capital. It took more than a fortnight for a deal to be struck under which the government would spend £252 million on masks for NHS workers. Late in the process, officials say in legal filings, Mr Mills asked to switch the counterparty for the contract to Ayanda, saying that the company had an established infrastructure for international banking.

Until that point, they had seemingly been prepared to sign a large contract with Mr Mills’s own small company Prospermill. He said that he had been finalising his appointment as an adviser to Ayanda when he made the offer but “informed the [health department] of the intention to contract through Ayanda as soon as I was in a position to do so”.
Quote:
Mr Horlick said he did not believe that Mr Mills’s role as a government adviser “had any influence whatsoever” on winning the contract and said there was what “seemed to be an extremely rigorous and professionally run procurement process”.

Mr Mills also said his position had no effect on the awarding of the contract. He declined to say how much he expected to make from the deal.

Sephiroth 06-08-2020 18:01
Re: Coronavirus
 
That deal stinks.

jfman 06-08-2020 18:36
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36045867)
That deal stinks.
110%

pip08456 06-08-2020 19:43
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36045867)
That deal stinks.
Yes it does stink. This thread is a good read.
https://twitter.com/JolyonMaugham/st...44082145177600

Mad Max 06-08-2020 20:43
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36045833)
You've got that right!

I'd risk exposing my two to the bubonic plague to get them from under my feet.

---------- Post added at 13:17 ---------- Previous post was at 13:15 ----------



Genuinely odd statement, how does using technology for work equate to the class system?

Totally agree mate, strange statement indeed.

Damien 06-08-2020 20:54
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36045833)
Genuinely odd statement, how does using technology for work equate to the class system?
Quote:
Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36045775)
In some genuinely good news though they are advising to work from home this Autumn for all the middle class people who get to enjoy the pandemic on Microsoft Teams.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mad Max (Post 36045897)
Totally agree mate, strange statement indeed.
I don't think it's that odd although I don't have knowledge of how true it is.

Surely the logic behind it is that the jobs which are more able to work from home are more likely to be those who occupants are middle-class or above? We're talking office workers, managers, IT jobs and technical jobs of some sort, marketers, writers and so on.

Whereas the jobs you would typically associate as being working class tends to be in manufacturing or retail. Work where you need to be in a specific location to either work with machinery you cannot bring more or serve people.

Carth 06-08-2020 21:26
Re: Coronavirus
 
Strange how those in 'key' jobs don't need computers to do it for them :D

Damien 06-08-2020 21:39
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Carth (Post 36045903)
Strange how those in 'key' jobs don't need computers to do it for them :D
Makes sense really. Nurses, Doctors, Police, bar staff. They all deal with people directly to address urgent needs.

Pierre 06-08-2020 21:55
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36045898)
I don't think it's that odd although I don't have knowledge of how true it is.

Surely the logic behind it is that the jobs which are more able to work from home are more likely to be those who occupants are middle-class or above? We're talking office workers, managers, IT jobs and technical jobs of some sort, marketers, writers and so on.

Whereas the jobs you would typically associate as being working class tends to be in manufacturing or retail. Work where you need to be in a specific location to either work with machinery you cannot bring more or serve people.
From Reed U.K.

Avg Plumber salary 30K
Avg Office Co-ordinator salary 22K

My next door neighbour is a plumber (one man band) and he earns ( I fully expect) Well more than the average too. Detached farm house, his Van, BMW M3, Nissan Juke, ride on mower for His 1.5 acre garden.

Using IT for work is in no way any prediction of earnings or “class”

The whole Class argument is an old fashioned argument anyway. Blue collar/white collar can still be used as a descriptor, but there’s absolutely no guarantee that a white collar job is better or pays more than a blue collar job.


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