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BoJo won't be wasting his weekend pass with her, that's just for the cameras. He'll be out on the beers with his old journalist mates. ;)

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Now that's the way to go.

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London could be in Tier 3 by then so might as well go for it.

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What’s the difference between an "Australian-style option" deal and No Deal?

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There is not a fag-paper of difference.

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The same difference as "the dog ate my homework" and "I didn't do my homework" and in that order. ;)

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If only she looked so smart, slim, well dressed, and neatly coiffed as our dear leader...

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...3&d=1607636632

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So what do we reakon might still happen?

I think we could see the EU conceding a bit on the level playing field and Britain then giving Macron what he wants on fish and then that would pretty much be it.

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I agree, but if that happens, wait for the cries of "betrayal!".

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BoJo's wise enough to know that there will be many in the Leave ranks who will call any deal a betrayal but that a deal will be better for his re-election chances.

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There seem to be a few bits and bobs going on between the EU and Australia;

• The 1994 Agreement Relating to Scientific and Technical Cooperation between the European Community and Australia (entered into force 25 July 1994);
• The 1998 Agreement on Mutual Recognition in relation to Conformity Assessment, Certificates and Markings between the European Community and Australia (entered into force 1 January 1999), amended in 2012;
• The 2008 Agreement between the European Community and Australia on Trade in Wine (entered into force 1 September 2010);
• The 2010 Agreement between the European Union and Australia on the Security of Classified Information (entered into force 1 July 2011);
• The 2011 Euratom-Australia Agreement for Cooperation in the Peaceful Uses of Nuclear Energy (entered into force 1 January 2012);
• The 2012 Agreement between the European Union and Australia on the processing and transfer of Passenger Name Record (PNR) data by air carriers to the Australian Customs and Border Protection Service (entered into force 1 June 2012);
• The 2015 Agreement between the European Union and Australia Establishing a Framework for the Participation of Australia in EU Crisis Management Operations (entered into force 1 October 2015).

From here - https://eeas.europa.eu/headquarters/...alia-and-eu_en

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Here’s hoping we get those things that happened over a period of 25 years in the next three weeks...

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We're still part of that for 3 weeks, no reason why the original 'deals' can't be amended with a couple of name changes . . . unless the EU kicks off about it ;)

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That's not how any of this works....

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It is when those sunlit uplands are just around the corner :rolleyes:

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I think this country is resilient enough to work through whatever the consequences of No Deal might be. I think we need to bring it on now, work through the initial problems and then see what new negotiations throw up some time next year. Given HMG’s consistent willingness to characterise its negotiating position as unalterable because that’s what Brexit voters demanded, I predict next spring their position won’t have changed. The EU, however, might be more willing if it starts to see us sourcing goods from elsewhere in the world where costs and tariffs are lower.

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It's not artificial, Seph, it's a geographical fact which means the amount of trade between the UK and EU is far more significant than between Canada and the EU. It's also why over 1m UK citizens have homes in Spain and why lorries from the UK make constant trips to the Continent.

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oh . . well stuff the Aussies too then :D

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I don’t know, Australian Rules Brexit might be fun, especially if there’s a punch up just before half time ...

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The word unprecedented has been worn out this year, but it's quite unusual for a country to be negotiating down from a level of closeness and integration to a trading bloc as oppose to negotiating up from WTO terms. The latter is psychologically easier as you won't be losing anything.

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Strange post . . . we're negotiating a No Deal, let the EU negotiate up from that :p:

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:confused:
So the USSR didn't split up, along with Czechoslovakia, Yugoslavia, Ethiopia, etc?

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I'm not sure that the various wars in Yugoslavia after the war could be deemed called trade negotiations.

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Somebody was sure to come out quite a bit richer

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We cede sovereignty all the time from paying taxes to not setting off nuclear bombs all over the place. We do this willingly if there is a clear benefit or unwillingly if the consequences of not complying are worse than the ceding of sovereignty itself.

What will become clearer over the next few months is if the warm fuzzy feeling of 'our' out of touch politicians making decisions is better than 'foreign' out of touch politicians is worth it

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But we will be able to change 'our' out of touch politicians with a different set of out of touch politicians.

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You can also do that with the EU parliament - there are elections.

A movable feast these Brexit deadlines. All the ones Theresa May had. Bozzo's last absolute deadline was mid October, then there's been about another 20 deadlines since then. Latest one in Sunday but now we're told it might not be.....

If we were confident and genuine about no deal the deadline wouldn't have shifted once...

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Our representative on the Council too

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Yes. It says - we need them.

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or maybe the EU say "hang on, don't walk away, give us a month to try to sort our end out" :p:

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Did the EU President go rushing to London , or Bozzo rush to Brussels ?? Always a clue.

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My fear all along is the economic suffering people will endure and it'll be those that least afford it that bare the brunt, "reclaiming sovereignty" isn't worth losing your job or home over, even that smug ponce rees mogg said it'll take fifty years to feel the economic benefit, who other than non tax paying millionaires can afford to wait that long

Exactly, best get out of Nato then

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The European Parliament is a puppet parliament. That doesn't even have the power to propose legislation, only rubber stamp it, from the real power in the EU - the commission.

Tell me, who voted for Von der Leyen? did you?

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We didn't under a direct vote, but we voted for the people and parties who did both at a national level and an EU one.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ursula_von_der_Leyen
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Council

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Define 'much of the time'. According to this link it was 2% of the time

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I know how it works and it's bollocks. I didn't vote for von der Leyen or any commissioners. Just because that's what the system is doesn't make it right.

She, nor any Commissioner, is directly elected nor directly responsible to the electorate. Yet they make the rules.

Democracy 101:

You elect leaders, they are not appointed.

Executive Power is derived from the consent of the governed. We never gave our consent. We were not given the opportunity to vote on the Maasricht or Lisbon treaties.

The Brexit referendum was the UK's first and only opportunity to vote on the EU being a political entity. The first time we were asked to give our consent, we refused to.

That is proper democracy at work.

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I didn’t vote for any Lords either.

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Didn't vote for Boris either , only Con MPs get to decide who is PM. Or for that matter the Queen....

At least the EU elections have proportional representation which means your vote means something. Unless you're in a marginal constituency in this country, your vote is meaningless. The EU could teach us a bit about democracy.

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:D:D:D:D:D:D

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And you won't get any argument from me to scrap that and replace it with something else.

But whataboutary doesn't change the EU point.

Also, small point, but the Lords to not make legislation, they only provide oversight. Pretty much like the European Parliament.

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It’s not really whataboutery. How people define democracy is frequently fluid when it suits them. Majority governments on 36% of the vote and things like that.

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You voted Remain, though. Deep in your heart, you know that was the right decision. But because the vote went Leave's way, it's only natural to try and see negative in the EU as we've left them. It makes breaking up easier to do. ;)

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The EU is like voting for your particular party, knowing that they won't "win" or form any type of government, or indeed govern and when the results are in they they take their seats in parliament and they then decide that actually the CEO of HSBC is actually going to run the whole thing and decide what goes on and they'll, you know, just keep an eye on it - but never overrule him.

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In Switzerland, who know a thing or two about referendums, if any misinformation is found to have been published in a referendum, the vote is re-run. It deters the kind of misinformation that we saw around the Brexit Referendum.

That is proper democracy at work.

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I voted remain, because call me clairvoyant, I just knew it would end up being an entire Shitshow from start to finish.

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I think most Remain voters felt this way too. ;)

Many a bowl of cornflakes was spilt hearing the nonsense of Leave politicians like this from Michael Gove. “If we vote to leave then I think the union will be stronger… I think when we vote to leave it will be clear that having voted to leave one union the last thing people in Scotland wanted to do is to break up another.” :D

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It's all they've got left, sometimes it's like being stuck in an elevator with that awful music looping endlessly ;)

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Outvoted just 2% of the time, Seph.

We got our way 98% of the time over a bigger region before. Now we allegedly will get 100% of our way over a far smaller area that doesn't even include one of the four nations and may not include another next year! Well, at least we've got our EU-made black passports to crow about. ;)

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1. There isn't going to be a Scottish referendum next year.
2. Even if there were, and it voted for Scoxit, the present debacle gives a clue how much longer it might take to unpick a 300 year old union.

oh, and 3. The Swiss constitution is fundamentally different to just about anything else, anywhere in the world. It's not a good analogy for any part of our political process.

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Is point 1 definitely ruled out? If the SNP won a majority next year, it would be hard to refuse their request for another once-in-a-lifetime referendum?

I take your point on point 2.

No analogy there on point 3. I pointed out how referendums are run in a nation vastly more experienced at running them than ours in reply to Pierre describing the Brexit referendum as "That is proper democracy at work."

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Re Scotland, for now all we have to go on are repeated statements that HMG intends to honour the SNP’s statement that the 2014 referendum was a “once in a generation, if not once in a lifetime” event, even if the SNP is trying very hard to forget.

However, even if that were to change, there wouldn’t be enough legislative time to devise and run a referendum after the elections in May. So no, there absolutely won’t be a referendum next year, even if the SNP wins an outright majority of Holyrood seats on an outright majority of votes.

But we digress.

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Interesting analysis. Even more reason for Conservative supporters to want a deal
https://www.ft.com/content/f530e1b6-...e-245848449ad4

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tell us who voted for Dominic Cummings because until recently he was running the show here

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:D:D:D

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https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/n...eyen-27gkstp57

4 boats ?!! LOL
We have 11000 miles of coastline, 4 boats won't quite cover it !

Think we should also reform the Home Guard. Capt. Mainwaring would be in his element :D
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Forever the optimist...:rolleyes:

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Crikey, I'm glad you found that Andrew otherwise I'd have never known we were heading for disaster here . . oh hang on, it's the FT analysis lot trying to be clever again, as you were folks :D

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Why would we protecting the coastline instead of the fishing grounds?

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No, no he wasn’t.

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he was and lots of tory mps were complaining he had to much power

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Nonsense.

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You don't think Boris was running anything do you ?

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Is that you, Jeremy?

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Keep going chaps, still 20 days to get all those moans in, make sure you don't miss an opportunity to knock anyone :p:

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Sunday's not arrived yet. Still time for a deal. Remember, no-deal could mean no Conservative government in 2024.

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Now you have got me conflicted ;)

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Either way we've possibly got another 4 years of this bunch of chancers :rolleyes:

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Yes they will, all EU fishing boats are fitted with VMS trackers and easily be monitored.

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lmfao

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That’s definitive.....he had so much “power” he’s no longer there.

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Fascinating insight, thanks for sharing.

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No problem, kinda similar to your response.:rolleyes:

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I just prefer stringing a few words together to make a proper sentence. Acronyms are kinda lazy lolz.

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Macron wants to keep his share of the cake.

Fun times ahead.

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What I'd like to know is what is the UK's post-Brexit plan. If we get back all these so-called sovereign rights, what do we propose to do with them?

If we knew this, I'm sure Brexit might get more buy-in. It seems like there is no plan and without a plan, it's hard to negotiate effectively.

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Just spat my drink over my laptop, thanks.

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I was just giving a throw away example of how we manage concensus politics and mutually agreed decision making without a murmur of dissent from the public, even when it's being used to send their childrem to war. Odd that you chose that part of the post to reply to, any one would think you didn't want to take any responsibility for the misery many are about to endure

What does that matter if it's the will of the people

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Another conflict is that no deal will reduce the UK's greenhouse gases. We'll have a smaller manufacturing base and thanks to a weaker Pound, we will be taking fewer foreign holidays. ;)

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There won't be a Scottish referendum next year - it's impossible to deliver one in 2021 even if the SNP win a landslide in the Scottish Parliament elections.

I'm sure the glorious Brexit will demonstrate to the people of Scotland just how easy it is to deliver success against all odds in such negotiations.

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Such drama....:rolleyes:

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Why should they offer us anything?

Leave means leave surely? Our choice. What were we expecting?

Just need to get on with it, and deal with all the stuff Project Fear said would happen.

Enjoy.

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Sounds like Project Fear to me, Seph. Weren't we promised that food would be cheaper?
https://www.express.co.uk/news/polit...arming-ecomony

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Won't be long now till all you can afford is the cheapest food :)








Fish

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The thing about tariffs is the the WTO rules only specify a maximum and that whatever it is should be the same for everybody. We could set a zero tariff for product type X, as long as we do that for the whole world outside of any existing tariff arrangements with other countries.
Eg we could have zero or low tariffs on New Zealand lamb, as long as lamb from any other country also has the same tariffs applied.
Eg Japan has zero tariffs on sheep meat imports.

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If we try and export lamb to the EU with no deal, it will face a 48% tax. Sheep-farming will surely be wiped out by no-deal, won't it?
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-industry.html

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Yes, there are a few farmers regretting their votes. We will of course now need to subsidise livestock farmers, at great expense to the tax payer.

Meanwhile the NHS can go swing for their £350million a week.

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What's that got to do with your reference to food not being cheaper?
IE

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Because we buy loads of stuff from them, and they buy loads of stuff from us and ( chinks in the armour have shown). They fish in our seas.

That’s why

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It shows that it's unlikely we'll reduce tariffs on staple foods to make it cheaper.

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But you have to accept there comes a point where a union of 20 odd countries and 350 plus millions people just walk away and go “we can make up for that gap ourselves”.

I’m not saying this is the point. However if, as our politicians claim, we can happily proceed with no deal over a bad one then surely our negotiating opponents have a similar point.

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1) you never said that.
2) Quite a bit of an unfounded assumption, ie made up to suit the agenda.

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Well they don't see us as that important obviously.

However we shouldn't have based our decision to leave on the basis they would give us a wonderful deal on a platter. We should have prepared to stand on own feet. Seems we didn't genuinely plan for that.

We have an idiot PM who's aping a conflict with the French with our massive armada of 4 boats. He's thinks he's Thatcher in the Falklands, she had a few more boats... The Russians will be loving this, their objective achieved.

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People say that BoJo can't be trusted. Perhaps they're a being a bit harsh. In 2017, he promised he would make a Titanic success of Brexit. He's delivered on this promise so far. ;)