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So not like Netflix then, where one account covers any platform. If you have Amazon Prime, presumably better to sign up via that rather than VM as that would give access via other connected devices as well as only the TV. Same price (£4.99) on both.

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Yes, not an ideal situation. All they need is a log-in screen. I hope Virgin and Starz Play sort this out between them.

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It would need far more than that. Think about what actually happens when you log in to something.

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Sounds like your better off taking a sub to starz through Amazon then you play on Smart Tv with Prime app or mobile device.

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I was thinking about a similar process to Netflix. Once you set up an account with them, you can log in through your V6. I am not clear why Starz Play should be any different. VM is not making the process of signing up very easy. The sooner they start offering the SVOD services as part of a bundle with an easy way of subscribing to them, the better for everyone.

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The Netflix app has been in development for years, and took many months to port to TiVo.

Plus it delivers content from Netflix's own servers, not VM's. Passing authorisation info from one company to another whilst not breaking data protection rules adds an extra layer of complexity.

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Downside of that might be you could then be tied to only watching through your VM Tivo/V6. At least with Netflix and Now TV you have your own account and can log in on any device or service that supports them.
It would appear that StarzPlay do not market directly to end users, it is an add-on to an existing service like Prime and eventually (when they get their act together) VM.

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Any sign of the integrated billing of Netflix on VM? It was suggested that this would be in before the end of last year.

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Don't know. It's not something I would be involved in

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NBCUniversal announces plans for a free streaming service alongside executive shuffle

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/all/nbc...huffle-n958531

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How long before Netflix increase prices over here ? In the US prices are to increase 13-18%.

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There's more content in the US, though, MM.

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Still no excuses for a planned 13-18% rise in prices though.

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It's still cheaper than pay tv services, though.

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All in the eye of the beholder..

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But it’s creeping above your £10 price you keep quoting each app at. This app world could end up being a rather expensive one for those who like a selection of different content from different broadcasters.

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It's a fact which you can prove for yourself by comparing what's on the non-sports pay tv channels that is worth watching compared with what's on Netflix.

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It won't be long before a selection of streaming content cost more then a pay TV subscription.

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My point stands as that is only your own opinion but many disagree with that sentiment.

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I will hold you to that prediction, Den! They have a long way to go! :D

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Put it alongside your predictions which you always defend as 'coming'

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People with Roku will be able to access free pay TV programming:

https://www.cnet.com/news/sling-tv-u...or-roku-users/

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In the USA.

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That's because it's a prediction. :rolleyes:

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:D

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Crikey there have been so many predictions l need to pen another new chapter.:D

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Seems a decent enough offer for Now TV and 4K box.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/tech/821593...passes-bundle/

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Now TV add offline viewing for IOS and Android
https://www.engadget.com/2019/01/30/...&utm_source=dl

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I read this recently and agree with quite a few of the points regarding Netflix and its future.

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/01/17/netf...e-analyst.html

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Yes, it's certainly a costly proposition to rely on originals to sell a platform because it needs a high level of continuing investment.

However, this weakness is also their strength because in the end, I think people will be more attracted to a streaming service that is continually adding good quality new stuff to its platform than one relying more on older material with much less new stuff.

I, for one, will only subscribe to the Hulu part of Disney if it continually replenishes its extensive library with new programmes. I am not the least bit interested in watching films or old TV series again - once I've seen them, that's it for me.

I think that in the medium term, most multiple subscribers will be paying money for Netflix, Amazon and Disney. There is not such an extensive library on StarzPlay so it will be interesting to see how they fare over time.

Those who can only afford to subscribe to one service might swap between them or simply choose the cheaper options.

However, I think any rumours of Netflix's decline are premature.

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But what happens should growth stall when other big players launch their services?

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Ahhh, ok. I suppose a VPN could get round this, but Netflix have now started to block VPN's from their system, so other companies might be doing this too.

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Well plan B comes into operation , but wait they have not got one!!!

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I think you are being unfair. The shareholders will be hoping for a takeover and they can cash out before the bubble bursts.

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Yes I agree , interestingly Apple keeps getting a mention.

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Has anyone had the opportunity of looking at the new All4 site? What's the verdict?
Haven't seen it yet myself but looking forward to taking a look this evening.

https://www.a516digital.com/2019/02/...rial.html#more

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Has Netflix increased the top tier by £1 for new subscribers as it's now showing as £10.99.

I'm pretty sure all plans have increased looking at the prices.

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Yes I think they have. I’m paying £7.99 for the mid tier but the sign-up page is now asking for £8.99.

Mind you that page wants £11.99 off me for the premium tier so maybe they’re just making it up as they go along.

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Thanks Chris

How weird is that the plans show as follows for me

Basic £6.99
Standard £8.99
Premium £10.99

Obviously testing Price increases in the UK and other parts of Europe
https://advanced-television.com/2019...dels-in-italy/

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How long before Netflix is no cheaper than an entry level pay TV subscription ?

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That is a pretty inevitable scenario...

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I've just gone to the sign up page and the prices for me show as

Basic £5.99
Standard £7.99
Premium £9.99

I do currently pay £7.99 but this was on a PC I have never signed into my account on.

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Shows as 6.99, 8.99 and 10.99 here from the sign-up page.

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Strange Den our resident all things streaming hasn't commented or would this go against his streaming will be much cheaper theory.;)

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Don't worry MM l am sure he will comment once he has found his answer in his well worn bible of contradictions.;)

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Ok explain this to me, all done over the same wireless network?

If i go to the Netflix UK signup page on my PC i get these prices...

Basic £5.99
Standard £7.99
Premium £9.99

If i go via my Android phone i get these prices...

Basic £6.99
Standard £8.99
Premium £10.99

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Here’s what I get on an iPad (attached pic)

It shows
Basic £5.99
Standard £7.99
Premium £9.99

Looking at my Android phone, it says
Basic £6.99
Standard £8.99
Premium £10.99

So, it’s not just you...

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Very strange!

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So how does the basic package of Netflix shows at £6.99 compare with the basic Virgin Media or Sky package, then?

And how does the premium package of £10.99 with UHD compare with the premium package of Sky and Virgin with UHD?

Answers on a postcard, please. :D

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As per usual your changing your argument , you told us a bunch of streaming services now we are just comparing one. It won't be long before the Netflix HD package is touching £10.

Add in all these other services you keep telling us and people will eventually end up spending more.

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You have to remember MM a leopard never changes its spots.

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Well, I suppose if an incredible choice of programming is available from all these streaming services, it would be ridiculous to subscribe to them all at the same time as you'd never get around to watching everything!
At least you won't be locked in to any service for a year. You can chop and change. Simples. Cheaper.

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Gets even weirder - on my (win10) PC, the prices are
Basic £6.99
Standard £9.99
Premium £12.99

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That’s a big “if” in your first sentence.

Will just have to hope these streaming services release their big series in line with your rota and don’t go down the “one episode a week” route.

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Here’s what they’re offering me via my iPad right now if I visit their website while not signed in, and also the prices I’m offered to upgrade or downgrade after I sign in.

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In the past when Netflix have increased prices they have given existing customers the old rate for a period of time. That might explain this difference between logged in price and new customer price.

Having said that, they normally accompany it with a press release or e-mail to customers. As far as I know they haven't done this.

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There certainly has been no email notification from them coming through to us.

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Nor spots its changes😱

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Both my differing prices are not logged in prices as i am not a member.

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You don't have to be locked in for a year to linear channel packages either, so streaming is no different.

Why there are so many different prices for Netflix is beyond me

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Sky Mobile launches unlimited streaming with Watch

https://www.skygroup.sky/corporate/m...ing-with-watch

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Maybe so, but linear packages are crap imo.

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Really? That's not what I am hearing on the street.

What it is you prefer about scheduled linear channels, flooded with commercials, that gives you no control, I really don't understand.

I accept that nothing will change this enslavement between you and linear which has caused this Stockholm syndrome, but hopefully you will start to see the light when the linear channels are finally killed off.

It will happen, but in the meantime, enjoy the mediocraty.

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Double crap, even. I would not watch TV if that's how I was forced to watch.

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Streaming is crap IMO - obviously our tastes and viewing habits differ!

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What are these linear packages that are crap? MUTV or some other standalone channel?

The services from Sky, Virgin Media and BT include streaming and mobile options. Thousands of hours of on demand content is available from a range of content partners.

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If you watch only sport, that I can understand. But, if you are talking about dramas, I don't see where you are coming from. Lately, the BBC and ITV dramas have improved, but there are not many of them at any one time.

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Is that the street that consist of clones of Old Boys who think what Old Boy thinks and agree with everything Old Boy says.;)

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You've only got to read the posts on these forums to know that being tied into contracts is a common complaint. You don't get that with SVOD services. Are you challenging that for some curious reason, Den?

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Open your eyes as you might be surprised what good quality stuff you can find on the Linear channels as it won't bite you know....

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Do you have the time to hunt out these alleged little nuggets? I scour the schedules every week, and the good stuff is much harder to find these days.

Whereas on Netflix and Amazon, my watch list on both is huge.

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I don’t believe you do. Perhaps your watch list on Netflix wouldn’t be so large if you more effectively utilised your time.

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I don't doubt there are marvellous programmes on Netflix and Amazon . . . if only you can find it amongst the vast amount of foreign material with subtitles and some with dubious acting skills. There is just too much for an ordinary person who just wishes to relax to wade through. How much better to sit down and enjoy the recordings that you have previously requested on the V6.

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Well, I can assure you that I do. I scrutinise my TV and Satellite Week every week, but I do set the bar reasonably high compared with some people. Even my wife doesn't watch the soaps these days and we tend only to draw programmes from the HD channels.

There are plenty of programmes to choose from, but when you look at the actual content, it leaves much to be desired. On Netflix and Amazon, I have selected many different programmes that look pretty good to me, and I am choosy about what I watch.

If you like watching stuff over and over, or if you like the kind of weak drama series associated with a bygone age like Poirot, Murder, She Wrote, Heartbeat and Agatha Christie, then I see why you would be content with that. However, it beats me why such individuals say they can't find anything on Netflix. The streaming services seem to have a huge range of dramas which cover all tastes, including those who go for mediocrity.

I do agree that if sport is your staple diet, traditional linear TV would be the best option for you currently.

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The long contracts are there to cover the (substantial) cost of the installation and the equipment, not the content. You can vary your content every month if you want to, but you still need the equipment to watch it on.

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What a completely condescending post , I watch quality while the rest of you minions watch junk.

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He obviously lives in a completely different world to us common plebs.

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He knows it’s rubbish yet buys a magazine to tell him this. More fool him.

For the rest of us in the real world, by literally any measure going, the most watched content is available on Sky/Virgin/BT. As has been pointed out by others when you sign into Netflix there’s a huge range of repeat content that has been shown on other channels previously.

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Well, clearly, they show such content because some people like that. But there's plenty of other stuff to choose from which is new and exclusive to Netflix. It's the good new stuff that we seem to be lacking on the standard channels these days.

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I understand that and I am not criticising Virgin or Sky for tying people into contracts, that's perfectly understandable given the cost of the equipment. I was really pointing out the advantage to the consumer in subscribing to the streaming services only. That does provide some flexibility to subscribe to services for periods that are sensible for you, enabling people to see content on different services with only one subscription at any one time.

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Really? Were you looking in the 'foreign' section?

How is it easier to scroll through the EPG to find programmes to record than set up your watch list?

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My post didn't mention junk. But I do watch quality! :D

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Things you deem quality that's not to say other people deem it the same.;)

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So it doesn’t matter how popular programming is, or how much people are willing to pay to watch it to Sky or other providers, only Old Boy knows what quality television is.

By chance quality television is almost always only available on streaming services which, for five years, Old Boy has been telling us will be the future.

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Indeed one man's meat is another man's poison....

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I agree with a lot of what OB, says, the dozens of channels on Virgin and Sky are mostly garbage imo, if I didn't like football I wouldn't subscribe to Virgin, I'd just watch whatever I wanted on Netflix or Amazon, the footie is the only thing that keeps me with Virgin.

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It's nice to see somebody's got taste on this forum, Max!

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There’s over 250 channels on Sky/Virgin. Statistically it’s unlikely someone will like them all, or even the majority of them.

However anyone with any sense would know that bundling keeps prices down. Indeed, even you have admitted that fledgling streaming apps might not survive without guaranteed income from being bundled with other pay-tv services.

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As they say taste is often in the eye of the beholder..;)

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You might want to see a doctor about that, as I always thought taste buds were on the tongue and in the lining of the mouth... ;)

(you probably meant "beauty)

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250 channels and nothing on. Some bargain.

Of course bundling keeps prices down. But that's only looking at cost per channel. When you consider that you are paying for all that when you only watch a dozen or so of them, you have to question whether that is value for money. Particularly when there may only be one or two programmes per week that you even bother to record from those channels.

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It's in the ear of this chap
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/l...-a7996766.html

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Yes l did mean beauty actually.:)

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H'mm...I wonder what The Good Wife tastes like.....:afire:

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You do have to question if it’s worthwhile but look what happened when they spun off La Liga and Serie A into Eleven Sports. £6 more a month for minority interest content. Imagine valuable content being separated and losing economies of scale?

Bundling doesn’t require me to watch or have any interest in the vast majority of the content available, just keep the price below what I’d pay for what a do want in a fragmented environment. Having seen Eleven Sports I’ve never been more confident that this is the case.

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Bruce Springsteen was right. He said there was 57 channels and nothing on. Even with 557 channels, there's still nothing on!

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I've always said that sport is a different kettle of fish, jfman. My posts have been focusing on dramas, films and documentaries.

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Spot on, Aguero. Although you would have thought that Bruce would have got dressed by now. :D

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My memory rather tells me something different..;)

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The same principle applies to all forms of content though. Do I really want the back catalogue of different Hollywood studios scattered across four or five providers? Or worse, new releases on some platforms and the back catalogues on others?

What if Discovery owned documentaries, National Geographic documentaries and the BBC back catalogue all ended up separated?

It seems odd you are focused on dramas and documentaries when you consider the present pay tv bundles to be inadequate. There’s literally thousands of hours broadcast and on demand available. From as little as £7 a month on Now TV.

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You need to go back to the posts rather than rely on your memory, Den! :D

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Now TV is a streaming service, I should point out.

As I said before, if content is broken up between the streaming services, you don't have to subscribe to them all at once because you won't be tied into annual, 18 months or two yearly contracts. That gives you the flexibility to jump about and take advantage of the various deals that are going.

I do watch factual stuff other than dramas of course. I find that rather too much of the factual stuff gets repeated ad nauseum and some is pretty lightweight stuff. If it's not intellectually stimulating, I tend to find it rather boring. We deserve better.

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Bang on mate!

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:D
Just a caveat here Old Boy. Like you, I believe streaming is the future and all the facts point to that, but our opinions have been based on Netflix's way of doing things, which we have assumed would be the de facto standard of doing streaming. It may not be.

We already know now that there will be multiple streaming services from the likes of Disney, AT&T and others and based on snippets of info already released. We know that some of these services will not follow Netflix's way of doing things at all. Some services will have ads and some will be bundled as part of packages along with broadband. AT&T and Comcast are especially keen on this. Perhaps there maybe minimum contract periods, so lets wait for details nearer the launch of the services.

Disney et all has been forced into streaming, but they are not going to give up the old way of doing things immediately. We need to see how this all pans out and who the players will be, as I suspect there will be some major changes to come with regards to streaming services and the companies that provide them over the next few years.

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I've said before Horizon let's see how Netflix does when all these other services launch.

In my opinion it's whole business model has been to spend fortunes on content in the hope people will see it as essential enabling them to gradually increase prices allowing them to eventually cut back on the content spend as the library increases.

That's fine and works at the moment but will it when people have other places to spend money ? People will also be less resistant to price increases when there are many other places they can get content and on similar terms.

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I said somewhere at the beginning of this thread that I didn't see Netflix surviving into the long term, but with millions of new customers each month, I'm not so sure now. It will take one hell of a effort for Disney or anyone else to catch up with them.

The problem with Netfllix is where is their killer content? Ok, they have (or did) have House of Cards, Stranger Things and Lost in Space. Disney has Star Wars, Marvel and Mickey Mouse and those brands have lasted many decades now.

I don't think anyone here would disagree that Disney (and others) will be a major player in the streaming world and we'll just have to wait and see what, if any, will be the knock-on effect on Netflix.

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My issue with the channels is not the programming themselves, but quite often the lack of genuine choice.

An example I have used before is NCIS. This show is on at least three channels in the evenings and that excludes +1s and HD versions. That is not choice.

Streaming will replace the bulk of these channels as they exist to mostly to show archive material which can be better handled by streaming.

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I don't think you can compare those franchises. That's like comparing apples with oranges. The example you gave for Netflix are all TV shows. Most of the Disney ones would be movies.

Netflix does really well on the tv shows it makes and get rights for. Sabrina, Russian Doll, After Life are some recent ones. Lost in Space and Stranger things have new seasons airing later this year.

There is only so much life in a movie, where as a tv series can easily be watched more times and you can go back to episodes. Well for me that's the case.