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Really?? Try, for instance:

"White House Says it Has Evidence of Iraq-Al Qaeda Ties

"W A S H I N G T O N, Sept. 26 †� The United States has long charged Saddam Hussein with supporting terrorism, but the Bush administration is now alleging something new †� what one official called a "current, symbiotic relationship" between Iraq and al Qaeda."

http://abcnews.go.com/sections/us/Da...ics020926.html

It is only recently that the US has admitted that actually there was *no* direct links between Saddam Hussein's Regime and Al Qaeda's attacks on September 11th.

http://www.thememoryhole.org/war/no-saddam-qaeda.htm

It also showed him that, despite the mass of military might levelled against him, he is still free to engage in his attacks.

Actually I imply no such thing, nor would I ever say such a thing. I was using the phraseology from the quote that I gave.

And the point about "Western Democracies" is that what the US wants to put into Iraq is an *American* style government. Not just "a democratic" one.

Nothing, I have never said there is.

And, I point out again, not *all* Muslims want to "eradicate" Western "godless regimes" either.l

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Except she says that "This is not easy; we must not allow our core values to be overturned, but at the same time we must not allow those values to bring about their own annihilation. For common-sense to be stymied at such a time by the alien †˜human rightsââ‚Ã⠀šÃ‚¬ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¾Ã‚¢ culture is just plain crazy."

Since when are Human Rights *ALIEN* to our culture???

And if, under the guise of common sense, we manage to *give away* our "core values" (which, of course, *include* human rights) then that is most certainly just "plain crazy".

Also she says:

Well, no it wasn't a war that was declared upon us. But neither was the Second World War. Remember *WE* declared war on Germany.

I have to say that I find comments like this tiresomely offensive.

Just because I may disagree with a policy does *NOT* mean that I wish us to use a policy of Appeasement. I do not believe we should give in to the terrorists, but *neither* do I believe that there is only *one* solution to the problem.

As Melanie Phillips says in her article:

"as Lee Kwan Yew also said, this war can ultimately only be won by moderate Muslims. Accordingly, America, Britain and their allies should do everything in their power to support and protect those enormously brave Muslims who are taking their lives in their hands to push their culture towards reform and defeat the tyranny that acts in their name."

I agree entirely. And, for me, this is a *much* better strategy than anything else that has been proposed in this politically inspired "War on Terror".

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All together now
You started it! You invaded Poland!

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Yes, but, unless I have completely misunderstood your postings, *most* Christians don't think that the way to *ensure* it is the "one true way" is by killing off everyone who disagrees.

And, of course, the same goes for *most* Muslims.

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"I think that that will be used as a propaganda and recruitment weapon for al Qaeda," Wilkinson said. "I am quite sure that they will exploit that to the full."

But, of course, no *Western* government would exploit a terrorist attack in this way, would they... :rolleyes:

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You mean to recruit people to deliberately attack civilian populations?
Hoping to kill as many men, women and children as possible?

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i wonder about this link to claw hand or whatever his name is :mad:

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Absolutely :)

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I'm sure one of the reasons why he's not been deported is so that a watchful eye can be kept on him and those he preaches to.

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Once again I remind people of the US's policy in Gulf War I of bombing power stations, water treatment plants and other such *CIVILIAN* facilities under the guise of them being redefined as "military targets".

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Um, they do actually...
Revelations and all that.

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Apologies, I have no problem with opinions being expressed and I believe that they should be - but blatant trolling, come on. If you're putting across your own 'opinion', then surely it would help if you expanded to detail some basis of how / why you have reached that opinion. Otherwise it just looks as though you're basing your opinions without any reasonable fact behind them.... which is fine if that's what you're like, but a little naive on your part and frustrating for others.

[PEDANT] obviously [/PEDANT]

No, I just have my own, well informed opinion. :D


And your reason for that was:

The facts that they maybe haven't used suicide bombers in this instance, nor that the attack was too well planned, in my opinion, are no justification to doubt so much their involvment. And to suggest that, well, they haven't done this before, is also no real basis from which to formulate an opinion. How many times had Al-Qaeda flown planes into two tall buildings before? It's often the resultant effect rather than the methodology used that will get fingers wagging in the right direction. ETA tend not to perform attacks on such a large scale - this was way out of their league. When have ETA used mobile phones for detination? - the islamic fundamentalists are well known for this. I also don't think [1] that ETA tend to compact nails around the bomb, for maximum suffering - as in this instance. Again, another common practice from the islamic fudamentalists.

Again, that's the whole point... otherwise, how would the element of suprise and mass destruction of life combine together to form such a nasty attack. It wouldn't. The Israelis have strict checks before getting onto trains, as they've had many a bad experience in this area, and still do on their buses. I just hope that Britain doesn't need to escalate to such stringent security checks on public services, as that would be an indication that we're losing the war on terror.

I can understand people pointing the finger at ETA in the first instance, after all, we're in a new age of terrorism. But it's about time people woke up to the potential reach and scope of organisations such as Al-Qaeda. I thought 9/11 had pointed that out quite clearly.

Like I say, if you had presented a well built opinion by looking at all [or at least some of]the facts available, then that'd be fine. The fact that you did not present anything to support that, coupled with the suggestion that it can't be them because they didn't kill themselves in the process - and that this attack was well planned... come on, you must see what I'm getting at here? :Peaceman: There's a difference between airing an opinion and inputting your own opinions into a discussion. IMHO, you aired an opinion based on irrelevant and pointless attributes related to the attack that took place... fine if everyone else chooses to ignore your opinion, but I wanted to highlight the meaning of your comments and the implications of them. If you still believe that what you said is right, fair play, but explain why.

I do respect other peoples opinions when they respect the facts available and when they have something constructive to contribute to a discussion. And yes, I will argue my point, as I have done once again... I don't expect 'personal attacks' to weight my argument, the words do that for me...:D oh, and yes, I am grown up - thanks :rolleyes:

:devsmoke:

[1] although I could be wrong

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Right, and civilian facilities are the same as civilians then?
Personally I *can* see a difference between the two.

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No that's not quite true. During the time described by Revelations, Christians as well as non-believers (or followers of other faiths) will be at risk. It is said that a quarter of the world's population will perish during that 7 year period. And in any case, it won't be Christians who put anyone to death.

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Revelations says that once all the non-christians have been killed off (and the christians brought back) this would ensure that christianity or whatever post apocalyptical form it takes (assuming a new set of instructions may be given afterwards to live happy in the new world order) is the one true way.
Ego my statement.
Incidentaly, muslims have a similar view on the end of days, being that they follow the third book from the god of abraham.