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Ooo Ooo Ooo! I can! I can! :)

There's one hell of a difference between locking an innocent person up and killing them!
It's a bit hard to bring a dead person back to life when you find out they're innocent 5 years after they've been sentanced.

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Curiously I read it as the author thinking that using a blanket "arrest everybody and sort them out later" policy was a "bad thing"...!

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Well done, have a gold star!
:)

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But it's not like that, yes there are mistakes and bad handling things like not appologising after raiding a house to find it's not involved in any crime.

It's lines like a heroine user who'd never been arrested before was arrested 5 times. Wow! A heroine user actually arrested! Shock horror! You know I thought that's what is supposed to happen...

Do you think they should ignore drug users?
The statistics mentioned in the article show that arrests for all crimes had increased, so they aren't concentrating on the petty crimes at the expense of more serious ones


PS Thanks for the gold star :)

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exactly , start at the bottom with the petty things and work upwards , as soon as the crims realise they have nowhere to hide then the problem will disapear eventually :)

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I find it strange that you cannot see the need for punishment in a justice system. It is, after all, a criminal 'justice' system, not a criminal 'rehabilitation' system (not that I have anything against rehab).
How are we to have justice done if the criminal is not punished?

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Hmmm....one of the papers cited in that link as possible reason why zero tolerance dosn't work seems to actualy show that it does. As doesthis paper (and many others that I found)

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I think that is an excellent policy. Unfortunately we have something over here called the European Bill of Human Rights which means that there will never be any kind of punishment of these types. Even though criminals choose to live outside society and threaten society the toss pots in Brussels seem to think they should still be afforded all these lovely rights. But what about murder victims right to life? or burgulary victims right to defend his property - these, it would seem, are secondary.

Islam comes in for some heavy criticism but under Islamic law the criminal can be punished the same way he committed the crime "Eye for an Eye". I read about an Iranian man who threw acid in a womans face because she refused to marry him, causing blindness and disfugurement. So the court decided that he should have the same done to him. - Now thats justice.

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I think this rather defies the point of democracy. If the majority of people are criminals then technically the government should reflect that.
As mentioned the criminal KNOWS what he plans to do and therefore can have a bigger gun and the element of surprise. So it's more likely you would end up dead.

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If this was the case we would be in state of anarchy. Democracy should only be for the positive contributing members of society.

Not sure what your point is here, are you agreeing that as the criminal knows what he is doing if he is injured or killed in the act then he should not have any comeback?

If so - I agree

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I thought the government already did reflect it!! :) But do I do agree about your point about removing the votes of criminals.

As for criminals in general, work on the premise that if you have something of value they will want to take if from you and prepare accordingly. I find having a large dog works wonders with door-to-door salesmen, Jehovah's Witnesses etc and the moment somebody strange appears within scenting range of the front door the dog tells me.

When the pizza man calls, he rings the door bell and retreats to the front gate until the dog has been put away.and that's only on the basis of the dog's bark.

No doubt others will have their own favoured way of dispensing with the unwelcome criminal intruder.

:)

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Well, in that case you could say dumb people can't vote, jobless people, homemakers etc. Kinda defies the point of a free democracy.

I'm saying.
If you carry a gun with you it would probably be small and pocketed because you can't expect to be jumped on 24 hours a day. When a criminal attacks you he KNOWS he is going to do it, so he can have a bigger gun and just shoot you in back and anyone around who might see. 1 on 1 you don't stand a chance because he can make the first move. And of course the larger the legal guns the more people he can kill quickly.

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No, my point is if people offend against society, they should not have a say in how that society is run. They have given up their right by being a criminal.

That hasn't really got anything to do with the point I was making. I was saying that if a criminal attacks you or enters your home to rob you. He should relinquish his rights because he is knowingly threatening you or your home. So that if you defend yourself or defend your home and he is killed or injured in the process he has no come back and cannot sue you as is the case today.

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Fair point, I lost sight of the issue
I think this would be dangerous, it would lead to people digging up dirt on people to destroy their political opinion. A corrupt government could easily manipulate this to reduce opposition.

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and how is that different to the situation atm? They do that already anyway. :D