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jtwn 19-10-2005 01:23
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In Iraq? :D

me283 19-10-2005 07:18
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Originally Posted by ikthius
NO

why?

if found guilty he should be put in prison, not executed.
I thought the UN should fight for this, he has human rights like the rest of us, even if he is found guilty of said crimes.

and america will find him guilty anyway.

ik
Just a little question here: why should he have human rights? After all, it's a brave person who would describe him as human.

Mick 19-10-2005 08:01
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Bill C 19-10-2005 08:04
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Originally Posted by me283
Just a little question here: why should he have human rights? After all, it's a brave person who would describe him as human.
Well he did not think of the human rights of his victims so why should he be able to invoke them himself to save his hide.

Execute him and get it over with before the do gooders find a reason to make him out to be the victim and set him free.

liamboyle06 19-10-2005 08:38
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Just because he killed a hell of a lot of people, does not mean we should stoop to his level.
Lock him up and throw away the key.

Nugget 19-10-2005 09:06
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Originally Posted by Bill C
Well he did not think of the human rights of his victims so why should he be able to invoke them himself to save his hide.

Execute him and get it over with before the do gooders find a reason to make him out to be the victim and set him free.
Point of order Bill, but do you really believe that the 'do gooders' would ever be able to make Saddam Hussein out to be a victim?

Is there anybody who doesn't know who he is and what he's responsible for? As Coggy said earlier, this is completely out of our hands so it's somewhat academic what any of us actually say but, if a court decided that he was to be imprisoned, it would be very unlikely that he had a minimum term set - if these crimes potentially have the death penalty as a sentence, I believe that it is more likely that the sentence would be commuted to life (and it would mean life).

As for him not thinking of his victims human rights, surely, by ignoring his, the court would be sinking to his level? By respecting his rights, hopefully a fair trial will take place, and he will be sentenced accordingly.

Bifta 19-10-2005 09:13
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Originally Posted by zinglebarb
Many states in the US have the death penalty (rightly or wrongly) so its not just barbaric countries.
Well, if we're using the USA as an example then it IS still just barbaric countries.

me283 19-10-2005 09:14
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Originally Posted by Nugget
Point of order Bill, but do you really believe that the 'do gooders' would ever be able to make Saddam Hussein out to be a victim?
A victim, no. But there may be some who would urge us to "understand" him, and maybe even forgive him. It is hard to believe, but remember that there were people who thought that Myra Hindley should be released? As time passes, people seem to forget just how heinous some crimes really are. I also recall reading somewhere that there was a possibility of Peter Sutcliffe applying for parole in the future. Back when he was sentenced, who would ever have thought that?

In addition, we must also remember that there is always a possibility (however tiny) that he could go free by other means.

Nugget 19-10-2005 09:24
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Originally Posted by me283
A victim, no. But there may be some who would urge us to "understand" him, and maybe even forgive him. It is hard to believe, but remember that there were people who thought that Myra Hindley should be released? As time passes, people seem to forget just how heinous some crimes really are. I also recall reading somewhere that there was a possibility of Peter Sutcliffe applying for parole in the future. Back when he was sentenced, who would ever have thought that?

In addition, we must also remember that there is always a possibility (however tiny) that he could go free by other means.
You're right (God, I can't believe I'm agreeing with you again ;) ) but, using Sutcliffe as an example, it is entirely feasible that any sentence passed could ensure that "parole" would not be an option (I'm using inverted commas 'cos I'm not sure how early release is handled when it comes to genocide). Also, I personally feel that it is unlikely that there would be a body of people who campaign for Husseins release (although I accept that I may well be proved wrong).

Also, while you again correct in saying that there is a small possibility of him escaping / being set free / whatever, I don't feel he would be free for long. Let's face it, he was found when he was hiding in a hole in the ground, and he would be one of the most wanted men in the world.

andyl 19-10-2005 09:46
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Absurd and offensively provocative - not to mention banal - to suggest liberals have some sort of affinity with Hussein. IMO it is important that he is seen to have a fair trial and that sentencing does not stoop towards his own barbarism.

Salu 19-10-2005 09:46
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It's a good job that he isn't being tried here as he would probably end up getting get 6 points on his licence and a £90 fine. :Yikes:

andyl 19-10-2005 09:47
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Originally Posted by Salu
It's a good job that he isn't being tried here as he would probably end up getting get 6 points on his licence and a £90 fine. :Yikes:
Oh don't you start ;)

me283 19-10-2005 09:49
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Originally Posted by Salu
It's a good job that he isn't being tried here as he would probably end up getting get 6 points on his licence and a £90 fine. :Yikes:
Don't underestimate our legal system - they would certainly tag him as well ;)

Bill C 19-10-2005 10:22
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Originally Posted by me283
Don't underestimate our legal system - they would certainly tag him as well ;)
And sent on a holiday on appeal
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Originally Posted by Nugget
Point of order Bill, but do you really believe that the 'do gooders' would ever be able to make Saddam Hussein out to be a victim?
They will find any reason they can to explain what he did. This will then give them the excuse to reduce the sentence on the grounds of what ever lame excuse they come up with.

Things like

He was abused as a child
he was affected by TV
he was taking drugs and not in control of his actions
he was poor and needed to keep up with the jones's

A excuse will be found to explain away what he did. Might not be now but history has a habit of changing to suit the political party of the day :)

andyl 19-10-2005 10:23
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Originally Posted by Bill C
And sent on a holiday on appeal
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They will find any reason they can to explain what he did. This will then give them the excuse to reduce the sentence on the grounds of what ever lame excuse they come up with.

Things like

He was abused as a child
he was affected by TV
he was taking drugs and not in control of his actions
he was poor and needed to keep up with the jones's

A excuse will be found to explain away what he did. Might not be now but history has a habit of changing to suit the political party of the day :)
Get some perspective please.


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