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me283 19-10-2005 21:11
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Originally Posted by andyl
The lasat thing we'd want is for offenders who have been incarcerated for some time to be gradually given experience of the outside world. Best to just cghuck em out when they've served their sentence, let em sink or swim and watch re-offending rates rise even higher than the absurd level they are already at. :rolleyes:
I am guessing that's a hypothetical situation. Graham and I were simply exchanging opinions, without sarcasm. Since the reverse scenario is not in play, it wouldn't be fair of me to say what "might" or "might not" happen.

Please stop the baiting. Think of your signature.

cookie_365 19-10-2005 21:35
Re: Rapist to have legal costs paid for by his victim
 
Unfortunately, what this all really boils down to is this:
  • Sometimes good things happen to bad people.
  • Sometimes bad things happen to good people.
  • Life isn't always fair.
There's a one in 14 million chance that a lottery ticket bought by a prisoner on day release will come up with the jackpot.

I suspect that there's more than a one in 14 million chance that a prisoner -denied day release just because of the theoretical possibility they might buy a winning lottery ticket- will reoffend on their eventual release because they haven't been integrated back into society properly.

me283 19-10-2005 21:57
Re: Rapist to have legal costs paid for by his victim
 
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Originally Posted by cookie_365
Unfortunately, what this all really boils down to is this:
  • Sometimes good things happen to bad people.
  • Sometimes bad things happen to good people.
  • Life isn't always fair.
There's a one in 14 million chance that a lottery ticket bought by a prisoner on day release will come up with the jackpot.

I suspect that there's more than a one in 14 million chance that a prisoner -denied day release just because of the theoretical possibility they might buy a winning lottery ticket- will reoffend on their eventual release because they haven't been integrated back into society properly.
Your point being?

cookie_365 19-10-2005 22:31
Re: Rapist to have legal costs paid for by his victim
 
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Originally Posted by me283
Your point being?
Yes, very clever. Try reading my post again. It is pretty simple, you should be able to make sense of it. ;)

me283 19-10-2005 22:32
Re: Rapist to have legal costs paid for by his victim
 
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Originally Posted by cookie_365
Yes, very clever. Try reading my post again. It is pretty simple, you should be able to make sense of it. ;)
I am just struggling to understand the rather tenuous link between buying a lottery ticket and reoffending :confused:

cookie_365 19-10-2005 22:56
Re: Rapist to have legal costs paid for by his victim
 
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Originally Posted by me283
I am just struggling to understand the rather tenuous link between buying a lottery ticket and reoffending :confused:
What I'm saying is: this thread seems to be now focusing on thinking of ways of stopping people on day release from prison from doing what most people consider 'normal' activities, apparantly in case they have some fun/win millions on the lottery.

But these 'solutions' seem to me to be bound to backfire; day release of prisoners is a good thing, to help them get back into society. Society pays if prisoners are just dumped back into freedom with no job, prospects, or stake in the community, much more than it pays because the odd ******* gets lucky courtesy of Guinevere or whatever.

My post was a reply to these 'GRR! Bad man gets lucky! How can we stop this happening again?' type posts, which I just think are pointless.

Clear as mud now? ;)

PS - Do you forgive me for bouncing your own post back at you? It was too good an opportunity to resist ;):)

me283 19-10-2005 23:01
Re: Rapist to have legal costs paid for by his victim
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by cookie_365
What I'm saying is: this thread seems to be now focusing on thinking of ways of stopping people on day release from prison from doing what most people consider 'normal' activities, apparantly in case they have some fun/win millions on the lottery.

But these 'solutions' seem to me to be bound to backfire; day release of prisoners is a good thing, to help them get back into society. Society pays if prisoners are just dumped back into freedom with no job, prospects, or stake in the community, much more than it pays because the odd ******* gets lucky courtesy of Guinevere or whatever.

My post was a reply to these 'GRR! Bad man gets lucky! How can we stop this happening again?' type posts, which I just think are pointless.

Clear as mud now? ;)

PS - Do you forgive me for bouncing your own post back at you? It was too good an opportunity to resist ;):)
Oh Cookie, today I am in a forgiving mood - very rare for me though!

I now see your point, but still go back to my initial belief that this particular offender should never have been released.

As for what prisoners do on day release, well there obviously have to be restrictions. Are they allowed to gamble - the lottery is classed as gambling, I believe. I guess they are not allowed to drive, nor to drink alcohol. It's an interesting point.

andyl 20-10-2005 09:02
Re: Rapist to have legal costs paid for by his victim
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by cookie_365
What I'm saying is: this thread seems to be now focusing on thinking of ways of stopping people on day release from prison from doing what most people consider 'normal' activities, apparantly in case they have some fun/win millions on the lottery.

But these 'solutions' seem to me to be bound to backfire; day release of prisoners is a good thing, to help them get back into society. Society pays if prisoners are just dumped back into freedom with no job, prospects, or stake in the community, much more than it pays because the odd ******* gets lucky courtesy of Guinevere or whatever.

My post was a reply to these 'GRR! Bad man gets lucky! How can we stop this happening again?' type posts, which I just think are pointless.
A good point albeit one that's been made before - repetition clearly required ;) - although not as eloquently.


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