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ntluser 18-10-2003 09:46

Re: The 'growing' problem of obesity
 
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Originally Posted by basa
We didn't really address downquark1's initial question though did we ??

Do we think people have a right to be fat or are they a liability on the NHS ??

Well in much the same way smokers (yes I am one ! :smokin: ) aren't yet penalised by the NHS then neither should the overweight.

BUT......maybe that should change ? Perhaps with a 'no claims rebate' or some such ?? Unfortunately the way our national institutions work it would probably cost millions to administer !!!!

People who are overweight are a liability to themselves and to some degree a liability to those they support.

Like smokers, they need help not condemnation.

A healthy diet and exercise lifestyle is the generally accepted solution for being overweight.

Our bodies react differently to these so there is no universal formula. You have to find out which exercise and which foods work best for you, but you have to realise that whatever you discover it has to be or become part of your daily lifestyle.

Atkins will work for some but only in the short term, so it is not a lifelong programme and that's what you need.

Xaccers 18-10-2003 11:00

Re: The 'growing' problem of obesity
 
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Originally Posted by ntluser
Atkins will work for some but only in the short term, so it is not a lifelong programme and that's what you need.

Beg to differ about it not being a life long programme.
It's designed to be just that.
Remember, completly cutting out carbs is just at the begining, you slowly re-introduce them to the balanced level that your body needs.
I know someone who's been on it for 7 years and they have no health problems.
It even helped lower their colestorol.
Mum (who's type 2 diabetic and has an overactive thyroid) knows someone who's used Atkins to control their type 2 diabetes.

People seem to have strange ideas about atkins, like it tells you to over eat on lard :rolleyes:
I tells you to have sensible portions, cut out the snacking in between and cut down on carbs.

ntluser 18-10-2003 12:04

Re: The 'growing' problem of obesity
 
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Originally Posted by Xaccers
Beg to differ about it not being a life long programme.
It's designed to be just that.
Remember, completly cutting out carbs is just at the begining, you slowly re-introduce them to the balanced level that your body needs.
I know someone who's been on it for 7 years and they have no health problems.
It even helped lower their colestorol.
Mum (who's type 2 diabetic and has an overactive thyroid) knows someone who's used Atkins to control their type 2 diabetes.

People seem to have strange ideas about atkins, like it tells you to over eat on lard :rolleyes:
I tells you to have sensible portions, cut out the snacking in between and cut down on carbs.

If that's the case I'm surprised as there have been a number of cases in the papers and magazines of people who have had problems with Atkins within a short time, but then as we are all different I suppose it will suit some people better than others. Clearly, it suits your Mum well and good luck to her.

Lowering cholesterol is quite easy and you can do that without Atkins simply by adopting a 'continental diet'.

I agree that cutting out the carbohydrates is important because they contribute to another dietary problem group called triglycerides more popularly known as fat. Eating protein is fine so long as you don't overdo it as it does burn off the fat, which is a benefit of the Atkins diet.

Like most things it's horses for courses and we just have to find what works for each one of us.

Xaccers 18-10-2003 13:10

Re: The 'growing' problem of obesity
 
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Originally Posted by ntluser
If that's the case I'm surprised as there have been a number of cases in the papers and magazines of people who have had problems with Atkins within a short time, but then as we are all different I suppose it will suit some people better than others.


The media loves health scares even when there aren't any!
The problems people reports relate to the first couple of weeks where you cut out carbs and go cold turkey, once your body has re-adjusted to living with the low level of carbs it needs you're fine, infact most people report feeling more alive.

They did a study recently comparing calorie controlled diet with atkins.
Atkins, as expected produced weight in a shorter period.
After 2 years both diets had resulted in the same weight loss.

Shaun 18-10-2003 14:59

Re: The 'growing' problem of obesity
 
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Originally Posted by Xaccers
The media loves health scares even when there aren't any!

Did you not see that report about a 17 (I think) year old girl in America that died because she stooped eating carbs and her body shut down :eek:

On another point, I find that if I eat small amounts of cheese (like on pizza or in a sandwich) I'm fine but if I over do it I swell up, get a rash and stuff. The doctor said that I probably have a problem with the enzyme that helps break down the lactose into its constituent parts (or something) and I should avoid it.

It's not a problem I just avoid milk when I can, and now I don't even like the taste of real milk. Yuck

Xaccers 18-10-2003 15:07

Re: The 'growing' problem of obesity
 
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Originally Posted by dellwear
Did you not see that report about a 17 (I think) year old girl in America that died because she stooped eating carbs and her body shut down :eek:

On another point, I find that if I eat small amounts of cheese (like on pizza or in a sandwich) I'm fine but if I over do it I swell up, get a rash and stuff. The doctor said that I probably have a problem with the enzyme that helps break down the lactose into its constituent parts (or something) and I should avoid it.

It's not a problem I just avoid milk when I can, and now I don't even like the taste of real milk. Yuck

How long did she stop for?


I may have asked before, but what's your blood type?

I can't stand soya milk myself :)

Shaun 18-10-2003 16:17

Re: The 'growing' problem of obesity
 
I have no idea about the specifics of the case, but I do know that her doctors at the local hospital (like most doctors) were horrified by what happened. I'm not sure what my blood type is, cant say they have ever told me :confused:

Some soya milk is really foul, Provamel soya milk tastes like flour and water mixed, but So Good tastes really nice. There are even coffee houses that will make your coffee with soya milk now too, Nero's are one chain that do it :)

Edit - The girl was 16 and she died after only 6 days on the diet!! The link is below ;)

http://www.itv.com/news/994476.html

Chimaera 18-10-2003 16:22

Re: The 'growing' problem of obesity
 
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Originally Posted by Xaccers
How long did she stop for?


I may have asked before, but what's your blood type?

I can't stand soya milk myself :)

Just being nosey, what difference does your blood group make to food allergies?
(I'm A Rh+ BTW)

Jerrek 18-10-2003 17:01

Re: The 'growing' problem of obesity
 
Where do you get your protein from,
Your body doesn't need protein. It needs amino acids to build *human* protein. Of the 20 (or 21) amino acids, all but eight cannot be synthesized in your body and you need to consume those. Those are all available in fruits and vegetables WITH the enzymes required to break the fruit down.

If you eat chicken, you get CHICKEN protein which is NOT human protein. Your body thus needs to break it down before assembling it into human protein. Fruit and vegetables skip this very, very strenous step.

I really find it amusing how people are always like, "dude, you need protein." I'm just like, "Do I look like I need protein?" (6'3" is taller than most Canadians and 210 lbs is also quite a bit)

or your essential fatty acids, or omega 3?
Olive oil, nuts, flax seeds, pumpkin seeds, etc. I love muesli.

Do you take suppliments?
No. Why should I?

And don't you miss not being able to eat jelly(jelo) at parties?
We don't eat jello at parties.

Shaun 18-10-2003 17:13

Re: The 'growing' problem of obesity
 
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Originally Posted by Jerrek
And don't you miss not being able to eat jelly(jelo) at parties?
We don't eat jello at parties.

Not even kids party's?? But they do make vegan Jelly too ;)


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