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Taf	03-08-2025 18:48

Re: So much for the views held here

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36200307)

Lol :D

Is 'Any Questions' on GB News?

How many Labour or Liberal Democrat presenters are there on GB News?

I don't count, but there are Labour politicians, and very Left-leaning people taking part in their discussions or debates, usually every day. It's all usually well-balanced, unlike Question Time.

Sephiroth

03-08-2025 20:32

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36200365)

But it’s not what "political scientists and their absolute lack of understanding of what people think" - the link above referenced what people think; just because it’s not what you think, doesn’t make their views invalid…

You also said:

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When comparing the two sets of data, the British public and the experts are broadly agreed on the placements of the Conservatives, Lib Dems and Greens. But when it comes to Labour, political scientists view the party as closer to the centre than the public do (-36 vs -24), while seeing Reform UK as further to the right (+69 vs +85).

Paul	03-08-2025 21:04

Re: So much for the views held here

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36200363)

But Maggy said she joined to have fun, not to be a Moderator.

Not relevant, she is a Moderator.

Another Moderator (and Administrator) function is to tell people to move on when they start to veer off topic.

Consider this one of those times.

Carth

03-08-2025 22:43

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36200365)

. . . the link above referenced what people think; just because it’s not what you think, doesn’t make their views invalid…

I've never been 'officially' asked what I think.

Was it like those survey things that only seem to ask the 'right' sort of people in the 'right' areas?

Hugh	04-08-2025 09:11

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36200370)

You also said:

True - but the other quote provided evidence of "what people think", which you seem to be ignoring, as it doesn’t support your less than subtle efforts to shuffle the Overton Window to the right, making you/Farage/BadEnoch seem "not right wing" by stating that

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"Far right" and "right wing" to my mind are merged concepts

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right wing politics = far right politics

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Past "right wing" has been founded on the Mussolini/Hitler model

papa smurf

04-08-2025 09:29

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Originally Posted by Carth (Post 36200385)

I've never been 'officially' asked what I think.

Was it like those survey things that only seem to ask the 'right' sort of people in the 'right' areas?

i've never been asked what i think about anything, and no amount of waffling BS can know what I'm thinking without asking, and then i might not tell the truth just to fudge the stats

Sephiroth

04-08-2025 09:59

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@Hugh

Of course I’m not right wing. I believe in free speech, democracy and no uncontrolled immigration. I also deplore the left wing (a well understood term) who want to take my freedoms away.

So far, nobody other than me has defined “right wing” in the context of this thread, least of all Russ who alleges that GB News is “overtly right wing”?

Don’t you agree that better precision makes for better debate?

1andrew1

04-08-2025 10:05

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Originally Posted by Taf (Post 36200366)

It's all usually well-balanced, unlike Question Time.

Agreed. That programme gained its nickname of Farage Time for a good reason! ;)

No Labour, Green or Liberal Democrat presenters on GB News, so the discussion questions are all set by biased, shouty right-wing presenters.

Taf	04-08-2025 10:14

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36200406)

.... biased, shouty right-wing presenters.

In almost all the debates on GBNews, it's the Left Wingers who have been "shouty". And most likely to try to talk over anyone else in the debate.

Sephiroth

04-08-2025 10:27

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36200406)

How do you define "right wing"? I would put the GB News presenters as right of centre - which s what most Conservatives are/should be.

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Originally Posted by Taf (Post 36200409)

In almost all the debates on GBNews, it's the Left Wingers who have been "shouty". And most likely to try to talk over anyone else in the debate.

Well said. And I needn't trouble you for a definition of "left wingers"!

Carth

04-08-2025 11:43

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I can't help thinking there's a few posters in this thread that seem to know an awful lot about the content of a program they don't (won't) watch because it's . . . not to their taste?

papa smurf

04-08-2025 12:18

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Originally Posted by Carth (Post 36200416)

I can't help thinking there's a few posters in this thread that seem to know an awful lot about the content of a program they don't (won't) watch because it's . . . not to their taste?

That's why the viewing figures are up

1andrew1

04-08-2025 13:28

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36200410)

How do you define "right wing"? I would put the GB News presenters as right of centre - which s what most Conservatives are/should be.

A right-winger can be someone right-wing on social values eg hang those rapists, deport every asylum speaker or they could be right-wing on economics eg if it moves, privatise it.

Traditionally, per my link below, voters are more aligned with Labour on economic values and the Conservatives on social values. This is the sweet spot that Reform seems to be aiming for.
https://flipchartfairytales.wordpress.com/page/2/

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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36200419)

That's why the viewing figures are up

GB News hasn't been the same since they got rid of Dan Wooton and the comedy priest but obviously I'm in a minority here.

Sephiroth

04-08-2025 16:12

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36200432)

At last, an attempt at the definition of "right wing". Pretty well thought through, imo. Now - does Russ accept your definition?

Maggy

04-08-2025 16:30

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36200363)

But Maggy said she joined to have fun, not to be a Moderator.

Actually I said no such thing. You put words into my mouth.

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