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Paul 01-10-2025 22:57
Re: UK trying to access your private data on Apple.
 
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Originally Posted by Carth (Post 36203816)
They can 'demand' all they like, heck they can even stamp their feet and wave their arms around if they feel the need to.
I'm pretty sure Apple has already given them the finger :upyours:

But for some reason the our stupid Govt still seems to think thay have some god given right to tell people and companies in other countries what to do.

Damien 01-10-2025 23:19
Re: UK trying to access your private data on Apple.
 
Apple can't give them the finger. Apple will likely try to fight it, but Parliament controls the laws, and companies have to abide by those laws. Apple won last time because it used the weight of the US Government to force the UK to back down. This time, the Government has limited the request to apply only to the UK so no reason for the US Government to care.

Basically, Apple will lose this fight. iCloud Backups will be available for the security services and police to investigate. WhatsApp messages will be next.

Don't like it? Vote against it. This fight started over 10 years ago. The Lib Dems stopped the Tories from doing the snoopers' charter in 2013, they lost the next election, and the Tories won. Since then, the Tories, and now Labour, want more and more of your data and the media and voters don't care and vote for them anyway.

1andrew1 02-10-2025 00:15
Re: UK trying to access your private data on Apple.
 
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Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36203827)
We can totally trust this government with data……….
I'm not so much worried about this one as I am a future Russian-leaning Reform government.

Paul 02-10-2025 00:16
Re: UK trying to access your private data on Apple.
 
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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36203830)
Apple will likely try to fight it, but Parliament controls the laws, and companies have to abide by those laws.
No they dont, Apple are not a UK company.
The UK has no rights to tell them to do anything.
Sure .. they could try blocking Apple if they refuse, but given how much its used in the UK, how long do you think that would last.

TheDaddy 02-10-2025 00:37
Re: UK trying to access your private data on Apple.
 
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Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36203832)
No they dont, Apple are not a UK company.
The UK has no rights to tell them to do anything.
Sure .. they could try blocking Apple if they refuse, but given how much its used in the UK, how long do you think that would last.
They do if they want their goods and services peddled here, they won't be banned, just fined every day they don't do the government's bidding

Paul 02-10-2025 02:32
Re: UK trying to access your private data on Apple.
 
Again, not a UK company, why would they pay any fine ?

1andrew1 02-10-2025 07:36
Re: UK trying to access your private data on Apple.
 
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Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36203835)
Again, not a UK company, why would they pay any fine ?
Being US-owned doesn't mean you can break UK laws, regardless of what we think of those laws.

Hugh 02-10-2025 07:53
Re: UK trying to access your private data on Apple.
 
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36203840)
Being US-owned doesn't mean you can break UK laws, regardless of what we think of those laws.
An example of that would be Apple putting USB-C connectors in iPhones to comply with EU rules.

Damien 02-10-2025 08:28
Re: UK trying to access your private data on Apple.
 
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Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36203832)
No they dont, Apple are not a UK company.
The UK has no rights to tell them to do anything.
Sure .. they could try blocking Apple if they refuse, but given how much its used in the UK, how long do you think that would last.
Apple has to abide by the laws of the country in which it is operating. If it impacts the rest of their business, then they might go nuclear and resist, but it will not. They'll challenge it as far as their legal routes to do so exist, but then they'll comply.

Dude111 02-10-2025 12:26
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Originally Posted by Paul
I'm pretty sure Apple has already given them the finger :upyours:
I like hearing this!!

Thanx Paul.... Good for Apple!!

Paul 02-10-2025 14:37
Re: UK trying to access your private data on Apple.
 
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36203840)
Being US-owned doesn't mean you can break UK laws, regardless of what we think of those laws.
Of course it does, they are UK laws, they dont apply in the US. They may choose to follow them, but they are not forced to.

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36203841)
An example of that would be Apple putting USB-C connectors in iPhones to comply with EU rules.
Again, Apple choose to do that because at the end of the day, it wasnt much of an issue technically, but clearly was in their interest to do so.

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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36203843)
They'll challenge it as far as their legal routes to do so exist, but then they'll comply.
Comply how ? Its technically impossible to do so, they dont have master keys or backdoors. The only way to comply would be to add such keys or backdoors to their encryption. They are not going to do that.

Damien 02-10-2025 14:44
Re: UK trying to access your private data on Apple.
 
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Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36203865)
Of course it does, they are UK laws, they dont apply in the US. They may choose to follow them, but they are not forced to.
Their UK arm does have to follow UK laws. They have a business based here, selling products locally. It's not the same as a business run entirely out of the US where they are out of reach of the UK authorities.

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Comply how ? Its technically impossible to do so, they dont have master keys or backdoors. The only way to comply would be to add such keys or backdoors to their encryption. They are not going to do that.
They'll just turn off End to End encryption in the UK.

TheDaddy 02-10-2025 15:33
Re: UK trying to access your private data on Apple.
 
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Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36203865)
Of course it does, they are UK laws, they dont apply in the US. They may choose to follow them, but they are not forced to.

Again, Apple choose to do that because at the end of the day, it wasnt much of an issue technically, but clearly was in their interest to do so.

Comply how ? Its technically impossible to do so, they dont have master keys or backdoors. The only way to comply would be to add such keys or backdoors to their encryption. They are not going to do that.
Yet the EU fined apple half a billion quid a couple of months back and were threatening £50 million a day if they didnt comply with EU law

Paul 02-10-2025 15:41
Re: UK trying to access your private data on Apple.
 
We are not the EU, but you can all believe as you wish.
Seems you all want Apple to give away your security, good luck with that.
I have always stayed well away from them, and will continue to do so.

Damien 02-10-2025 15:44
Re: UK trying to access your private data on Apple.
 
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Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36203873)
We are not the EU, but you can all believe as you wish.
Seems you all want Apple to give away your security, good luck with that.
I have always stayed well away from them, and will continue to do so.
I don't want Apple to give away our security. I am saying companies operating in the UK have to abide by UK laws.

This won't stop at Apple; they'll go after WhatsApp as well.


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