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In the OED, under "Non sequitur", it says "see Old Boy"

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Here in Warrington we had planters installed on one of the roads, the out come was it moved all of the cars on to the only other road that could be used. The outcome of that was that the traffic was nose to tail from 07:30 till 17:30

They also reduced the speed on that only other road as well, not that it mattered as cars were nose to tail anyway.

Monitoring of the air provided information that showed that the congestion created increased the air pollution. In addition there was more rear end shunts. The council said they had decided to remove it 12 months later having listened to locals. However it came out that the Government had decided not to fund the project going forward.

The out come is that as everyone had said in the beginning they did it just to claim the funds from the Government

Part of the council statement on removal

“With government funding now withdrawn for new LTN schemes, it’s about looking to the future and identifying new ways of cutting the number of cars on our roads, reducing air pollution and protecting the health of our people and our planet. This work will continue and will need to be shaped by national guidance, policy and legislation.”

https://www.warrington.gov.uk/central-6-streets-plan

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Sounds correct to me

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No, I'm talking about traffic moving freely at the speed limit. If you can't achieve the speed limit due to the volume of traffic, the speed limit isn't the problem.

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Blanket 20mph zones are just a bad idea. It’s simple and obvious.

It won’t save anymore lives and will increase pollution, and stress.

Anyone that supports them are either disingenuous or don’t drive.

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Well our PM is against them.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-66965714

Sadly hes not likely to be in power long enough for it to matter.

I'm sure looney labour will be in favour.

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That's probably the most depressing part about it. The Conservatives don't really care about drivers, or making towns/cities more liveable places.

Simply weaponising the anger might be worth a couple of percentage points in the polls and they might not lose by quite as devastating an amount.

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Our son noticed that several bus companies that used to route their buses through the village, now bypass it altogether due to the congestion. That means fewer buses for the locals to travel in-and-out of the city centre.

I now only rarely visit the local Lidl because getting out of the site is very difficult with the 20mph limit packing cars closer together.

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That’s some weird logic you are using there, spiderplant! :smokin:

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You do understand the concept of stopping distances don’t you?

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It's a win win OB...
https://tfl.gov.uk/info-for/media/pr...h-speed-limits

Granted your Waitrose run may take a few seconds longer but a price worth paying ? (Not referring to the Waitrose prices here... ;))

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It's true. Let's do some sums...

I'll use metric to keep it simple, but feel free to convert to whatever units you prefer.

Firstly, 30mph (48km/h). Now I'm sure you're a sensible driver, and always leave a safe gap from the car in front so you can stop if necessary. The Highway Code tells me the typical stopping distance at that speed is 23m. And let's say a typical car is 4m long. So each car at 30mph occupies 27m of road. So each hour, 48000/27 cars can travel along the road. That's 1778 cars per hour.

Now 20mph (32km/h). The stopping distance is 12m, and cars are still 4m long, so each car occupies 16m of road. Each hour, 32000/16 cars pass. That's 2000 cars per hour.

So by reducing speed from 30 to 20mph, you've managed to get 12% more traffic down the same road.

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