Originally Posted by idi banashapan (Post 36151783)

My position is in no way sinister.<mega snip, like we used to do in the early noughties;) >

Originally Posted by idi banashapan (Post 36151783)

Sometimes though, people may not want to speak about things that are very personal to them. This could be for many reasons. And whilst I too would have many questions for Jaymoss about why they have faith at all and what they believe, there has been a clear request by Jaymoss not to be put in a position where they are questioned about the faith / belief.

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So no, I do not have a position that dictates we should not ask because it might offend someone (people can be as offended as they like - that's up to them and not my problem. There's no rule against offending people as it is very subjective), I do respect a position that when someone says they do not wish to talk about something personal to them, stop pushing

Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36151911)

The obvious answer is of course you get taken into a side room once you are through the pearly gates and they hand you a single box with all the streaming services in one place, with one search function capturing all the content.

Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36151910)

Actually it’s me that needs to apologise - I think Jay is reticent to discuss faith here because on a recent occasion I was severely lacking in grace when discussing differences between what I call Christianity (as practiced by Anglicans, Methodists, Baptists etc) and what he calls Christianity, (as practiced by Jehovah’s Witnesses). The differences are very real but there’s a right and a wrong way to handle them.

(Sorry Jaymoss)

Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36151788)

Sounds like oxygen starvation of the brain to me that can give a euphoric effect. It is a bit reassuring that at the end of life the human body gives you a natural high.

Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 36151878)

You need to re-read the thread ... and apologise.

Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 36150971)

No comments on opinions, got it.

Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 36150973)

BTW, it is probably the OP's place to decide that "this thread is about opinions not a debate". He may well agree with you but shouldn't he be the one saying this?

Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 36150977)

I'm not fighting. I thought this is a forum where you can debate people's arguments, opinions and statements. If the OP doesn't want this here then fair enough. If you do not want to respond to my questions then, again fair enough.

Originally Posted by idi banashapan (Post 36152201)

I don't believe an apology is warranted from myself, nor would serve any positive purpose and would do nothing more than reinforce your psuedo self belief that you have been somehow wronged (which quite frankly, I don't think you believe at all - you're just trying to create an illusion. Poorly). You clearly have an objective in this thread, which is targetted at Jaymoss. Trying to make out you are the victim is not going to work. You are not the victim, you are the antagonist here;





I don't think it's unreasonable that one might read the above quotes, especially in the context of the comments they respond to, as somewhat intentionally antagonising or at the very least 'poking the fire'.

The first quote above is clearly a mis-representation of the point being made, creating a false, hyperbolic misunderstanding that mocks the statement or request it is responding to. Put politely, you're just taking the piss. At which point, you are doing nothing more than trying to draw Jaymoss into the discussion they already said they do not want to have, because you are digging to hit an emotive response. It's a bit Strawman.

The second quote you diverted attention away from your previous comments and behaviours and onto something else. Kind of "It's not my fault I'm saying this - go speak to that guy, he makes the rules.". It's like you're trying to brush your shoulders as you shrug them, turn down the corners of your mouth and throw your hands out to the sides palms up. However, you are in complete control of what you say, it's not someone else's fault, and if you get called out on something, don't try blaming it on others - you are accountable.

The third quote is again an attempt to elicit a emotional response based on a shoulder shrug, and a claim of ignorance to your prior comments. Again, I think you need to realise your accountability here. You shroud the comment of "I thought this is a forum where you can debate people's arguments, opinions and statements." with faux respect and acceptance of Jaymoss' comments and requests not to debate the faith by following up with "If the OP doesn't want this here then fair enough. If you do not want to respond to my questions then, again fair enough." but your intent has already been made clear throughout most of your prior comments in the thread.

You have been consistently attempting to provoke and draw into a discussion a person who has already been clear in their wish not to discuss a certain topic. Just leave it.

TL;DR

• Stop trying to provoke Jaymoss
• You are not the victim here
• When you get called out on something, accept it

I'd also like to add that I don't think 'sinister' means whatever you think it means.

Originally Posted by Jaymoss (Post 36152223)

Ian FFS can you not just drop it man. You talk about getting kicks it is plain this is how you get yours

Or Admin any chance you stop this crap that has nowt to do with the topic?

Originally Posted by Rik (Post 36152215)

Nothing happens!

When you are gone you are gone, that is the opinion of this Born Again Athiest ;)
I would like to think we meet up with all our deceased relatives and friends but I dont believe we do. When we are gone we are gone thats it!

(PS RIP Andy Rourke Bassist from The Smiths who passed away yesterday)