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Julian 24-06-2022 18:26
Re: U.S Supreme Court overturns (Roe v Wade) legalised abortion
 
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Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 36126188)
Wonder what rights they'll go after next, can't imagine they're massive fans of gay marriage or contraception
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Both sides predicted the fight over abortion would continue, in state capitals and in Washington, and Justice Clarence Thomas, part of Friday’s majority, called on the court to overturn other high court rulings protecting same-sex marriage, gay sex and the use of contraceptives.
There ya go.....

BenMcr 24-06-2022 18:26
Re: Draft Supreme Court opinion overturning (Roe v Wade) abortion leaked
 
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Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 36126185)
And that's in each and every state is it? Or is it yet another instance of certain states trying to impose their will on the others.
Individual states already had certain restrictions and the electorate in those states would seem happy with those allowed by Roe v Wade.
Judge Thomas has already stated that using the same legal thought process, he would want to revisit the Supreme Court rulings that allowed for US wide access to contraception, allowed same-sex relationships and same-sex marriage.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/c...-b2108823.html

There is also an argument that as it's not in the constitution but was a Supreme Court ruling, that 'Loving vs Virginia' could also be reversed at some point, which struck down laws banning inter-racial marriage.

https://www.msnbc.com/opinion/msnbc-...rtion-n1296339

TheDaddy 24-06-2022 18:32
Re: U.S Supreme Court overturns (Roe v Wade) legalised abortion
 
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Originally Posted by Julian (Post 36126189)
There ya go.....
ffs, was joking, in the land of the free as well, seems like the only thing you're free to do is have a gun :rolleyes:

BenMcr 24-06-2022 18:33
Re: U.S Supreme Court overturns (Roe v Wade) legalised abortion
 
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Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 36126188)
Wonder what rights they'll go after next, can't imagine they're massive fans of gay marriage or contraception
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Originally Posted by Julian (Post 36126189)
There ya go.....
And Mike Pence wants to ensure that all states ban abortion

https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/...151852518.html

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Pence went on to declare that now that “Roe v. Wade has been consigned to the ash heap of history, a new arena in the cause of life has emerged and it is incumbent on all who cherish the sanctity of life to resolve that we will take the defense of the unborn and support for women in crisis pregnancies to every state Capitol in America. Having been given this second chance for Life, we must not rest and must not relent until the sanctity of life is restored to the center of American law in every state in the land.”

1andrew1 24-06-2022 18:35
Re: U.S Supreme Court overturns (Roe v Wade) legalised abortion
 
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Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 36126188)
Wonder what rights they'll go after next, can't imagine they're massive fans of gay marriage or contraception
The Taliban will wonder if they've got some competition out there for taking a country back to the dark ages!

nomadking 24-06-2022 18:38
Re: U.S Supreme Court overturns (Roe v Wade) legalised abortion
 
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Originally Posted by BenMcr (Post 36126192)
And Mike Pence wants to ensure that all states ban abortion

https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/...151852518.html
He's still saying that it's up to individual States to decide on the matter.
Too much tacking onto the Constitution of things that were never intended to be allowed, and if they knew in the future these issues would be raised, they more than likely would have explicitly banned them right from the start.

papa smurf 24-06-2022 18:46
Re: U.S Supreme Court overturns (Roe v Wade) legalised abortion
 
What is the point in forcing women to give birth to children they don't want :td:

BenMcr 24-06-2022 18:46
Re: U.S Supreme Court overturns (Roe v Wade) legalised abortion
 
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Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 36126195)
and if they knew in the future these issues would be raised, they more than likely would have explicitly banned them right from the start.
Or they already knew it happened and didn't want to ban it

https://www.history.com/topics/women...ore-roe-v-wade

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Until the late 19th century, abortion was legal in the United States before “quickening,” the point at which a woman could first feel movements of the fetus, typically around the fourth month of pregnancy.
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In the late 1850s, the newly established American Medical Association began calling for the criminalization of abortion, partly in an effort to eliminate doctors’ competitors such as midwives and homeopaths.

Additionally, some nativists, alarmed by the country’s growing population of immigrants, were anti-abortion because they feared declining birth rates among white, American-born, Protestant women.

Mad Max 24-06-2022 18:52
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Ok, so this basically means that a woman can still have an abortion up to 15 weeks after becoming pregnant, I'm not trying to be funny here, but how long realistically would a woman know that she is definitely pregnant?
A screening test for Down's syndrome is available between weeks 10 and 14 of pregnancy.

BenMcr 24-06-2022 18:52
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Originally Posted by Mad Max (Post 36126198)
Ok, so this basically means that a woman can still have an abortion up to 15 weeks after becoming pregnant, I'm not trying to be funny here, but how long realistically would a woman know that she is definitely pregnant?
A screening test for Down's syndrome is available between weeks 10 and 14 of pregnancy.
No - states are moving towards banning of abortion 'from conception'

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-61804777

Mad Max 24-06-2022 18:53
Re: U.S Supreme Court overturns (Roe v Wade) legalised abortion
 
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Originally Posted by BenMcr (Post 36126199)
No - states are moving towards banning of abortion 'from conception'
Really? That's not what I'm seeing on the news.

Mick 24-06-2022 18:53
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Former U.S Presidential Candidate: Hillary Clinton:

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Most Americans believe the decision to have a child is one of the most sacred decisions there is, and that such decisions should remain between patients and their doctors.

Today’s Supreme Court opinion will live in infamy as a step backward for women's rights and human rights.

nomadking 24-06-2022 19:03
Re: U.S Supreme Court overturns (Roe v Wade) legalised abortion
 
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Originally Posted by BenMcr (Post 36126197)
Or they already knew it happened and didn't want to ban it

https://www.history.com/topics/women...ore-roe-v-wade
So still not a Constitutional right, back then.
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In the late 1850s, the newly established American Medical Association began calling for the criminalization of abortion, partly in an effort to eliminate doctors’ competitors such as midwives and homeopaths.
If it was legal at a federal level, how come States had to pass laws allowing it?

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Meanwhile, in 1970, Hawaii became the first state to legalize abortion, although the law only applied to the state’s residents. That same year, New York legalized abortion, with no residency requirement. By the time of Roe v. Wade in 1973, abortion was also legally available in Alaska and Washington.


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Originally Posted by Mad Max (Post 36126200)
Really? That's not what I'm seeing on the news.
There is a list of States in the link.
The problem is that the exceptions allowed will end up be so widely defined as to allow abortion on demand. The number of rape and incest cases is going to magically shoot up to match those wanting abortions.

Mick 24-06-2022 19:03
Re: U.S Supreme Court overturns (Roe v Wade) legalised abortion
 
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Originally Posted by Mad Max (Post 36126200)
Really? That's not what I'm seeing on the news.
States, mainly Republican leaning, will ban it in some form or totally ban it outright.

BenMcr 24-06-2022 19:06
Re: U.S Supreme Court overturns (Roe v Wade) legalised abortion
 
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Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 36126202)
The number of rape and incest cases is going to magically shoot up to match those wanting abortions.
Many states don't have those as exceptions.

Texas doesn't, nor does Oklahoma, Ohio or Kentucky amongst others.


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