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Re: Catholic Church admits Bible is BS

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Originally Posted by tweetiepooh (Post 36099033)

A major difference between a humanistic/naturalist/atheistic world view and a "religious" one is that of consequences.

In the former following or not following doesn't really matter but the latter will usually have an eternal perspective. If you believe that following your world view will lead to an eternity of punishment or better that following it will lead to an eternity of blessing then you are going to do the best you can to bring up your children in a way that will encourage the choice of eternal blessing. But children as they grow will make their own minds up. My son is growing in his faith but my daughter has moved away (sad).

I have to disagree - I would rather my children (hah, now 30 and 34) did things because they helped others (and themselves) in this life, rather than for a reward in the next* - anything else is a bonus (imho).

I have no issues with anyone's beliefs, except where it impinges on others negatively.

*other afterlifes/continuations of existence may be available, please refer to manufacturers' user guides...

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Originally Posted by tweetiepooh (Post 36099033)

The whole idea of hell and eternal punishment is one of the things that led me away from an orthodox religion. I always believed there was more to life and that there was something out there more than this. Never accepted science as I always questioned beyond their constructs.

I believe that Yahweh/Jehovah is a righteous God and he would not damn man to eternal suffering and I also believe that Satan will not be rewarded with an eternity. I believe that Satan and those who follow him will simply end their existence leaving those who follow Christ will be rewarded with everlasting life on Earth. And all of us who pray using the format of the model prayer pray for that

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If God made man in His own image . . was He gender confused too?

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36099042)

No, She wasn’t…

If this is the case then the answer must be yes because the man God made in his image was Adam...

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Originally Posted by Carth (Post 36099039)

If God made man in His own image . . was He gender confused too?

Certainly wasn't an engineer :)

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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36099044)

Certainly wasn't an engineer :)

how can you possibley say that? you only have to look at the Earth and the stars to see miracles every day

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Originally Posted by Jaymoss (Post 36099043)

If this is the case then the answer must be yes because the man God made in his image was Adam...

Ardi or Lucy might disagree... ;)

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36099049)

Ardi or Lucy might disagree... ;)

If they're not named in the bible they didn't exist;)

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Originally Posted by Jaymoss (Post 36099048)

how can you possibley say that? you only have to look at the Earth and the stars to see miracles every day

That's just the results of gas dust gravity and time, i was referring to the bad design of the human body no engineer had a hand in that, it's less reliable than a lada.

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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36099050)

If they're not named in the bible they didn't exist;)

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That's just the results of gas dust gravity and time, i was referring to the bad design of the human body no engineer had a hand in that, it's less reliable than a lada.

And where did the gas dust and gravity come from? the big bang? and what was there before that? oh another universe that contracted till the mass was so great it exploded creating our universe. Oh and what was there before that ad infinitum.

The very existence of anything is a miracle

And as for the human body? really ? yes it breaks down and ages but that in my faith is a result of sin. If you look at the cells and how everything does work in the body then you are witnessing another miracle. Life in itself is a miracle whether you believe in creation or pure chance in a chemical reaction

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36099049)

Ardi or Lucy might disagree... ;)

I will ask them in the Kingdom I pray for

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And that’s the joy of Science - they keep trying to find out.

They don’t pretend to know all the answers, but try to fit the (scientific) Theories to the available evidence, and when new evidence becomes available, modify the Theories.

For instance

https://www.space.com/what-came-before-big-bang.html

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In the beginning, there was an infinitely dense, tiny ball of matter. Then, it all went bang, giving rise to the atoms, molecules, stars and galaxies we see today.

Or at least, that's what we've been told by physicists for the past several decades.

But new theoretical physics research has recently revealed a possible window into the very early universe, showing that it may not be "very early" after all. Instead it may be just the latest iteration of a bang-bounce cycle that has been going on for … well, at least once, and possibly forever.

Of course, before physicists decide to toss out the Big Bang in favor of a bang-bounce cycle, these theoretical predictions will need to survive an onslaught of observation tests.

Scientists have a really good picture of the very early universe, something we know and love as the Big Bang theory. In this model, a long time ago the universe was far smaller, far hotter and far denser than it is today. In that early inferno 13.8 billion years ago, all the elements that make us what we are were formed in the span of about a dozen minutes.

Even earlier, this thinking goes, at some point our entire universe — all the stars, all the galaxies, all the everything — was the size of a peach and had a temperature of over a quadrillion degrees.

Amazingly, this fantastical story holds up to all current observations. Astronomers have done everything from observing the leftover electromagnetic radiation from the young universe to measuring the abundance of the lightest elements and found that they all line up with what the Big Bang predicts. As far as we can tell, this is an accurate portrait of our early universe.

But as good as it is, we know that the Big Bang picture is not complete — there's a puzzle piece missing, and that piece is the earliest moments of the universe itself.

That's a pretty big piece.

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36099056)

Mmm, pity, I always thought the big bang corresponded quite well with let their be light

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Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 36099057)

Mmm, pity, I always thought the big bang corresponded quite well with let their be light

Where did the light come from?

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36099056)

yeah the bang bounce theory. But none of it works with infinity, does it? there is theories on infinity but it is totally beyond the human grasp

If science is right then for there to be matter there must always have been matter but one can always ask where did it come from as without a starting point we cannot understand it.

When my faith is challenged I simply meditate on infinity and that gives my faith back to me

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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36099059)

Where did the light come from?

Maybe light was there all the time, and the 'big bang' blew away the dark that was hiding it?