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Hugh	07-12-2019 16:32

Re: Welsh 16 year olds get the vote

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36019493)

Did you miss the obvious? Staying on means being paid; leaving means new nurses who also have to be paid. Doh.

So now the definition of "more" includes those who aren't additional, but are already there.

"Darling, I've bought one more shirt"

"But you have had that shirt for five years"

"Ah, but instead of throwing the shirt out because the collar was frayed, I had it repaired, so now I have one more shirt than I had before..."*

Or if you want to use your "logic"...

"Darling, I've bought one more house"

"But we're still in the same house!"

"Ah, but if we are still paying for the house, it's a new house..."*

OK, then... :confused:

*analogy

Sephiroth

07-12-2019 17:16

Re: Welsh 16 year olds get the vote

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36019498)

Don't be ridiculous. None of your analogies stack up. My logic is simple and totally aligned to the nurses maths..

If you have 5 shirts and a budget to buy 3 more, but one of them is to be retired you will be buying 4 shirts. (EDIT: 4 shirts not 5 - typo)

Carth

07-12-2019 17:31

Re: Welsh 16 year olds get the vote

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36019499)

If you have 5 shirts and a budget to buy 3 more, but one of them is to be retired you will be buying 5 shirts.

:spin:

My mathematical education didn't reach much beyond algebra, so the quantum physics above has completely bamboozled me, sorry :shrug:

OLD BOY

07-12-2019 17:36

Re: Welsh 16 year olds get the vote

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36019498)

Did you attend the Diane Abbott School of Mathematics?

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36019499)

Don't be ridiculous. None of your analogies stack up. My logic is simple and totally aligned to the nurses maths..

If you have 5 shirts and a budget to buy 3 more, but one of them is to be retired you will be buying 5 shirts.

Er, Seth, would you mind explaining that to me?

Sephiroth

07-12-2019 17:43

Re: Welsh 16 year olds get the vote

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Originally Posted by Carth (Post 36019500)

:spin:

My mathematical education didn't reach much beyond algebra, so the quantum physics above has completely bamboozled me, sorry :shrug:

LOL Carth. The fifth shirt disappeared into the quantum world.
It's 4 shirts now.

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36019501)

Did you attend the Diane Abbott School of Mathematics?

---------- Post added at 17:36 ---------- Previous post was at 17:33 ----------

Er, Seth, would you mind explaining that to me?

Now corrected in my post, OB.

OLD BOY

07-12-2019 18:47

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36019503)

LOL Carth. The fifth shirt disappeared into the quantum world.
It's 4 shirts now.

---------- Post added at 17:43 ---------- Previous post was at 17:42 ----------

Now corrected in my post, OB.

Thank you for explaining your logic, Seph, but I must point out that this has blown your budget and you are now overdrawn!

Sephiroth

07-12-2019 18:51

Re: Welsh 16 year olds get the vote

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36019511)

Thank you for explaining your logic, Seph, but I must point out that this has blown your budget and you are now overdrawn!

From you, OB, I can take that.

From H... and J.... I can't/won't. One seems to be the argumentative morph of the other.

Hugh	07-12-2019 19:38

Re: Welsh 16 year olds get the vote

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36019499)

But in the real world, the shirt/nurse isn’t retiring and being replaced, they’re being retained/staying on...

From the Nursing Times

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The Conservative manifesto could have been a positive one for nursing if the party had been upfront from the start about its recruitment targets, nursing academics have said.

The Tories have continued to face a backlash over their general election pledge for “50,000 more nurses”, after it emerged that up to 18,500 of those would be retained nurses already in the workforce....

... A spokesman for the Conservative Party provided Nursing Times with a breakdown of the 50,000-figure. By 2024-25, the Tories are pledging:

14,000 nursing undergraduates and postgraduates;
5,000 nurse apprentices through an “expanded” apprenticeship scheme;
12,500 internationally recruited nurses;
18,500 nurses either remaining in the profession or convinced to return to practice.

I apologise for the fact that reality, and the Tory Party spokesman, does not reflect your opinion...

Sephiroth

07-12-2019 19:43

Re: Welsh 16 year olds get the vote

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36019526)

But in the real world, the shirt/nurse isn’t retiring and being replaced, they’re being retained/staying on...

.... and you still have to pay them instead of recruiting new nurses. Doh.

Hugh	07-12-2019 19:46

Re: Welsh 16 year olds get the vote

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36019528)

.... and you still have to pay them instead of recruiting new nurses. Doh.

And you still have to wash and iron your old shirt - that doesn’t make it a new shirt.

Anyway, please fell free to disagree with the Tory Party spokesman (I can explain it to you, I can’t understand it for you)...

Sephiroth

07-12-2019 19:51

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36019529)

But it makes it more nurses because the other one would not have been retained. Very simples.

Hugh	08-12-2019 10:13

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/election-2019-50701104

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Sophy Ridge asks this of the prime minister as they move on to two of his most contentious promises - the "50,000 more nurses" and "40 new hospitals".

The PM concedes that there will actually only be 31,000 new nurses, while the others are those who - he says - "who would leave the system unless we put the investment in now".

"When you’re talking about delivering more nurses most people would not accept that people who are already working in the NHS are new nurses," the interviewer points out.

In the same interview

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In regard to the seed funding for hospitals that we mentioned a couple of posts ago, Mr Johnson says: "You don’t put seed funding into schemes that have no merit. We’re talking about tens of millions of pounds to start architects’ drawings, to start business cases, to start planning permission to get these things going, that’s what you need to do and that’s what we are doing.This is a very dynamic and very ambitious government."

He must have forgotten about the £53 million seed money spent on the London Garden Bridge...

Mick	08-12-2019 12:38

Re: Welsh 16 year olds get the vote

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36019528)

.... and you still have to pay them instead of recruiting new nurses. Doh.

I do not want to see this kind of tone and talk, “Doh”, at the end of your reply.

Mr K	08-12-2019 14:22

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How about a compromise? 17? Old enough to take responsibility for a car, then old enough to vote.
Young people are our future and we shouldn't be so down on them all the time.

Sephiroth

08-12-2019 16:41

Re: Welsh 16 year olds get the vote

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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36019569)

How about a compromise? 17? Old enough to take responsibility for a car, then old enough to vote.
Young people are our future and we shouldn't be so down on them all the time.

Not old enough to buy alcohol & cigarettes.

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