Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36019332)

The Whistleblower(if they actually exist), is the only first hand witness out of handful of about dozen or so, all the current witnesses who have testified, who the Democrats have currently called for public hearings, are people who’ve heard a 2nd hand conversation. A conversation that even Ukraine’s own President said Trump did not do what he is being accused of. This is just a partisan hoax, the 2nd from the Democrats because their first one failed, in the form of Mueller.

Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36019333)

I think your definition of a first-hand witness differs from others. Yours is that the person must have been one of the people in the conversation. The usual one is someone who overhears the conversation, either in person or electronically like a bug or tapped phone.

Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36019335)

FFS-It’s not hard this, read what I Just said. None of the Witnesses that have attended the hearings, are witnesses to the call, they’ve overheard a second hand conversation.

Regardless of who’s read what, heard what, this impeachment will fail in the Senate. The latest tweet from Senate Republicans suggest the Democrats have already lost this 2nd battle.

Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36019350)

All Trump's lies will be out there for the US public to see and hear though, regardless of what a partisan Senate decides. Trump is toast next year, but suspect he'll make a tactical withdrawal from the election through 'ill health'.

Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36019350)

All Trump's lies will be out there for the US public to see and hear though, regardless of what a partisan Senate decides. Trump is toast next year, but suspect he'll make a tactical withdrawal from the election through 'ill health'.

Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36019365)

Creepy Joe Biden is not doing well at the moment, he’s an utter joke, called a supporter at one of his small rallies yesterday, a slob and perhaps they should do press-ups together. All they asked was what all this Hunter Biden stuff was regarding gas company he was hired to work for in Ukraine. A few days ago, Biden was on about his hairy legs. He is an absolute stumbling wreck, half the time he cannot remember what State he’s in.

Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36019368)

it is a slight issue with the US system that in order to run for President you have to be a geriatric - Clinton was the only one to have any energy (too much ;))

Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36019326)

Except nothing. They are not first hand witnesses. :rolleyes:

Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36019416)

They are not first hand witnesses to nothing because nothing happened with the call, as per Ukraine President own public statements.

Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36019417)

Were you there Mick? The witnesses were.

Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36019430)

The UKRAINE President was. He said the phone call was not an issue, no quid pro quo. But remember you have Joe Biden on video, while Vice President, saying Ukraine wasn’t getting the money, unless they fire the prosecutor....

All this is immaterial. Impeachment will fail and Trump should win 2020 courtesy of the antics of the DemocRATS.

Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36019420)

Was this phone call broadcast to the whole room so that both sides of the conversation could be heard??

Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36019445)

Yes, to the people listening in the Situation Room in the White House, as is normal practice.