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Maggy 14-07-2019 08:32
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-the-papers-48978334

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One of the journalists behind the Mail on Sunday's story, Isabel Oakeshott, is the subject of the front page of The Sunday Times - which covers the police inquiry into the leaks.

It says that she is in a relationship with Richard Tice - the MEP who is chairman of Nigel Farage's Brexit Party and it claims he has become embroiled in the leak scandal.

The article says police believe that a pro-Brexit civil servant took the Darroch material to try to undermine officials who do not support leaving the EU.

It also quotes an unnamed diplomat who suggests there are a lot of Brexit Party fingerprints on the disclosures. But the paper notes that both Ms Oakeshott and Mr Tice have denied that he played any role in the leak or the handling of the documents.

OLD BOY 14-07-2019 09:30
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Originally Posted by Mobes (Post 36002478)
A) the point of those confidential memos is to give our Govt unfiltered views about the relative countries government . The US ambassador would send similar memos.
B) He was hacked and or leaked.
C) Try and keep up.
I think it is obvious that the ambassador could have used much more diplomatic language than this. The memo was well over the top and could have been expressed much more professionally than this, making the point but without causing such offence if it got into the wrong hands, as these communications often do.

Mobes 14-07-2019 09:41
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36002508)
I think it is obvious that the ambassador could have used much more diplomatic language than this. The memo was well over the top and could have been expressed much more professionally than this, making the point but without causing such offence if it got into the wrong hands, as these communications often do.
You’re an apologist (and not just about this)! The very point is that they are uncensored, unfiltered non PC if you want ( I know you like that ridiculous term).

Carth 14-07-2019 09:46
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36002508)
I think it is obvious that the ambassador could have used much more diplomatic language than this. The memo was well over the top and could have been expressed much more professionally than this, making the point but without causing such offence if it got into the wrong hands, as these communications often do.

I rather think the choice of wording could have been deliberate, especially if it was aimed at the general public instead of other 'officials' who are well versed with understanding the convoluted and hidden meanings in 'political speak'.
The general public now know the appraisal of Trump and his administration given by a 'very experienced and highly regarded' member of the UK Government.

Regarding the section highlighted in bold, it makes you wonder just how secure our security is when you look back on other instances of 'leaks' to the media . . . not to mention briefcases left on taxi seats etc etc

Mr K 14-07-2019 10:05
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Originally Posted by Maggy J (Post 36002499)
Interesting. Those on the right clamouring for an investigation/prosecutions may find it backfiring on their 'own side'.

1andrew1 14-07-2019 10:17
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36002508)
I think it is obvious that the ambassador could have used much more diplomatic language than this. The memo was well over the top and could have been expressed much more professionally than this, making the point but without causing such offence if it got into the wrong hands, as these communications often do.
The issue with producing important insights for people with little time is that you tell it as it is so there is no chance of misunderstanding.
These communications do not often fall into the wrong pair of hands, so there has been no need to apply a snowflake filter to them.

Carth 14-07-2019 10:19
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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36002512)
Interesting. Those on the right clamouring for an investigation/prosecutions may find it backfiring on their 'own side'.
I'm pretty sure the Russians did it . . . again :D

Damien 14-07-2019 10:33
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36002508)
I think it is obvious that the ambassador could have used much more diplomatic language than this. The memo was well over the top and could have been expressed much more professionally than this, making the point but without causing such offence if it got into the wrong hands, as these communications often do.
There communications usually don't as they're covered by the official secrets act and are circulated amongst a small amount of staff. Hence why if they have found the person then they're going to see the inside of a prison cell, not typical of a leaker.

Besides the point of these private communications is that diplomats can speak freely. If they had to be minded that the press might read them then their feedback would change.

1andrew1 14-07-2019 10:36
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Originally Posted by Carth (Post 36002516)
I'm pretty sure the Russians did it . . . again :D
Perhaps Ian's post #7 is worth revisiting?
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Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 36002067)
Let's see if there is a paper trail to follow back to the leaker?
Here's a good reference to how these unsavoury characters are linked:
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OLD BOY 15-07-2019 06:51
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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36002520)
There communications usually don't as they're covered by the official secrets act and are circulated amongst a small amount of staff. Hence why if they have found the person then they're going to see the inside of a prison cell, not typical of a leaker.

Besides the point of these private communications is that diplomats can speak freely. If they had to be minded that the press might read them then their feedback would change.
...And yet it did fall into the wrong hands.

I'm sorry, but when being critical of anything at work, I always made damned sure of my facts and then penned very careful language to explain the situation.

This was a very overt, and for an ambassador, very undiplomatic outburst in respect of the President of the world's largest political power and our close ally. Had he used less hysterical language, he could have got the message across without causing such a reaction from The Donald.

1andrew1 15-07-2019 07:41
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36002671)
...And yet it did fall into the wrong hands.

I'm sorry, but when being critical of anything at work, I always made damned sure of my facts and then penned very careful language to explain the situation.

This was a very overt, and for an ambassador, very undiplomatic outburst in respect of the President of the world's largest political power and our close ally. Had he used less hysterical language, he could have got the message across without causing such a reaction from The Donald.
Old Boy, you need to bring along more of that admirable approach when posting here.
1. It was not overt, it was highly confidential.
2. The langusge used was diplomatic ie very clear for busy people.
3. It wasn't an outburst, it was a series of reports compiled by the ambassador's team.
4. The Don is thin skinned so would likely be offended by anything less than praise.

OLD BOY 15-07-2019 07:46
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36002676)
Old Boy, you need to bring along more of that admirable approach when posting here.
1. It was not overt, it was highly confidential.
2. The langusge used was diplomatic ie very clear for busy people.
3. It wasn't an outburst, it was a series of reports compiled by the ambassador's team.
4. The Don is thin skinned so would likely be offended by anything less than praise.
It was overt language, Andrew, and one should have expected better. It was most certainly an outburst, whoever wrote it.

Hugh 15-07-2019 07:49
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Difference being, nothing you wrote was classified intelligence at a nation state level.

The Ambassador’s briefings to his Government need to be clear, not need deciphering to try and guess at what he means.

Anyway, we have only seen excerpts of the emails, not the full text - colour me surprised if the DM has printed the bits that sound inflammatory, but in context sound reasonable.

denphone 15-07-2019 07:52
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36002679)
It was overt language, Andrew, and one should have expected better. It was most certainly an outburst, whoever wrote it.
It was frank and blunt yes but it was certainly not a outburst.

Hugh 15-07-2019 07:54
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What about Trump’s comments about Theresa May - were they "overt"?


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