Re: 20mph in Wales.
 

The most common crime that has police active around here is to ride electric scooters or modified electric bicycles. Quite a few have been confiscated for destruction.

This has caused problems with the illegal drug distribution networks, but also with the time that takeaway food takes to be delivered, as they now have to ride standard bicycles at far less speed than before.

A couple of delivery drivers have had their vehicles impounded too. No licences, insurance, etc. Nabbed as they left a local takeaway.

Re: 20mph in Wales.
 

Er no, I'm complying with the law because it's the law Dick, sorry, I mean Paul.:angel:

I can't be responsible for the composure of other road users, people who become enraged like that are a danger to everyone.

Re: 20mph in Wales.
 

Wales is starting to realise just how stupid this was.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/crlxzlr695eo

A general review of the default lower speed limit of 20mph was announced by the Welsh government following significant public backlash.

Re: 20mph in Wales.
 

A 700 yard stretch of arterial road near me is being returned to 30mph (eventually and at great cost).

But it was a 40mph road under 10 years ago, with only very rare accidents, and those did not involve pedestrians AFAIK.

The 20mph limit has been causing severe traffic problems since it was imposed.

Voters here have long memories, so the next elections should show a big swing against Labour and their allies, Plaid.

Re: 20mph in Wales.
 

No.

Some parts are realising the 'sledgehammer-to-crack-a-nut' approach was not the best.

In many parts of the country road safety relating to speed has improved significantly and thus is extremely unlikely to change. On that basis the reduction in limit has been a positive move.

That's not to suggest it's been a popular one. 90% of the time it annoys the crap out of me.

Re: 20mph in Wales.
 

20mph outside schools, nursery’s, hospitals etc, no problem, full support.

But a blanket 20mph is/was just stupid.

It was like covid, regional insignificant assemblies, such as Wales, tried to look powerful, but ended up looking stupid,
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Re: 20mph in Wales.
 

Yes.

Exactly. Stupid.
Glad we agree after all. ;)

Re: 20mph in Wales.
 

No.


You can continue to put words in my mouth all you want, it doesn’t make you any closer to being right.

It wasn’t the best approach, that does not make it universally “stupid”.

Some good has come from this, speed-based fatalities have dropped. If you want to refer to that as “stupid” then perhaps it says more about yourself.

My criticism about this is that it was brought in too widespread and too soon. A whole world away from being “stupid”. Adjustments are being made on certain roads but as it’s being done by a Labour government I’m sure there’ll still be odd individuals who will still criticise it despite speed-based road safety improving (“stupid pedestrians shouldn’t have been on the road in the first place eh??”).

Re: 20mph in Wales.
 

Yes.

I dont need to be any closer, I'm already there.

I never said anything about Labour, what was that about words and mouth ?
Still, I'm sure if had been done by the Conservatives you would still be defending it.

A blanket change was a stupid idea.
Having realised this they are now backtracking in many places.

You use different words to mean the same thing.
I also notice you skipped Pierre's comments completely.

I'm starting to think you are just arguing with me for the sake of it.


{Dont bother keeping up with Yes/No, You can say No, I can say Yes, it doesnt need repeating again.}

Re: 20mph in Wales.
 

I don't support it, three o'clock in the afternoon yes it's reasonable but three o'clock in the morning makes no sense

Re: 20mph in Wales
 

In your own mind, I have no doubts.


You’re quite well-known for being anti-Labour, was it that much of a stretch of the imagination?

A “stupid idea” that made a significant difference to road safety

Pot/kettle/black

Yeah because your post contained more disagreeable content

lol you don’t feature high enough on my personal radar for that. Maybe it’s just because someone on here has no worries with publicly disagreeing with you?

Am I allowed to say “negative” instead?

Re: 20mph in Wales.
 

I suspect that all areas where a 20mph limit was a good idea for safety were already at 20mph after the long and expensive use of Traffic Regulation Orders.

Now those that are going to be returned to 30mph have to go through the long and expensive use of Traffic regulation Orders.

We have also seen large sections of motorway and dual carriageways reduced to 50mph. And some National Speed Limit roads have been dropped from 60mph to 50mph. We all expect the latter to spread nationwide.

Re: 20mph in Wales.
 

Nothing ever stopped council's from using 20mph , but labour don't even trust there local councils to know what's best ?! Guess I agree with them for once:shocked:

Well them thinking they can enforce this is stupid.. I bet people went well over 20.. Hell if no one is watching they probably go near 40!

Re: 20mph in Wales
 

Good to know.

Its not a stretch, its more of a huge leap.
I dont care if it was Labour, Conservatives or the Jedi, it was still a dumb idea.

I note you didnt respond to the other part of my comment.
Would you be defending the Conservatives, had this been implemented by them ?

Something I was once told a long time ago, when submitting projects.
If you cant think of any good reasons, always default to "safety" (or security) concerns.
Based on that as an argument, they should reduce them all to 5 mph, or just make everyone walk.

I said its "Stupid", while Pierre just called it "Stupid". Yes, an obvious difference. :dozey:

Really - thats the road you want to go down ? Ok.
You can disagree all you want if you do it in a proper fashion.
Start with the personal digs and/or trolling, and I'll have no worries dealing with it.

See above.