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jfman

21-02-2019 21:01

Re: 11 MPs leave their Parties to join The Independent Group

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Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 35984070)

Only in their relative constituencies. What if the constituency voted remain originally? Clutching at straws again?

Each can be compared to respective results from 2016. It may be that there’d be no shift which is why they’d not bet their salary/a proportion of MP pension on it.

You should have put in bold if not however.

I can’t be considered to be clutching at straws when presenting both sides, and calling them spineless.

Paul	21-02-2019 21:59

Re: 11 MPs leave their Parties to join The Independent Group

Pip, jfman.

Unless you want to be taking a 1 day break, quit with the snipes at each other.

Angua

21-02-2019 22:17

Re: 11 MPs leave their Parties to join The Independent Group

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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35984062)

And again the crux of the issue, that Angua seems to be conveniently missing is that each of the current 11 defectors have expressed a view that there should be a peoples vote, a 2nd EU Referendum, because there is now apparently new information, well defecting to a new political party, because you no longer support it's manifesto commitments that they were elected on, is a significant change and piece of new information, there should be a peoples vote, in the form of by-elections.

We now have 11 MPs currently not representing their constituencies, that they got elected on.

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Um, which is exactly what the current 11 are doing.

They have not "crossed the house" to another party. They have yet to set up their own party. All they are is independents, which is standard practice for any MP who has the whip withdrawn, or those who resign the party whip.

Convoluted and strange though the rules of parliament are, these MPs do not have to vacate their seats if they do not wish to.

Previous MPs who have resigned to stand again, have been individuals on a solo quest to make a point, needing a by-election to campaign on. These are 8 Labour MPs and 3 Tory MPs who feel their respective parties have deserted them for various reasons, but who feel they cannot desert their constituents or the country.

Mick	21-02-2019 22:35

Re: 11 MPs leave their Parties to join The Independent Group

The 11 MPs have deserted the country. A country that voted for Brexit.

1andrew1

21-02-2019 22:50

Re: 11 MPs leave their Parties to join The Independent Group

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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35984084)

The 11 MPs have deserted the country. A country that voted for Brexit.

Lol, they're not being accused of throwing in their lot with Russia, they've just left their previous parties in the same way that Nigel Farage left UKIP. Their views on Brexit have not altered and neither have Farage's.

Mick	21-02-2019 23:40

Re: 11 MPs leave their Parties to join The Independent Group

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35984085)

Farage is not an MP, no idea why Russia has been mentioned. Do stay on topic.

Carth

21-02-2019 23:41

Re: 11 MPs leave their Parties to join The Independent Group

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Originally Posted by Angua (Post 35984082)

These are 8 Labour MPs and 3 Tory MPs who feel their respective parties have deserted them for various reasons, but who feel they cannot desert their constituents or the country.

I'm stupid enough to say that these MPs have been throwing spanners into Brexit since day one

I like being stupid, it gets me through the day :D

Angua

22-02-2019 07:12

Re: 11 MPs leave their Parties to join The Independent Group

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Originally Posted by Carth (Post 35984089)

I'm stupid enough to say that these MPs have been throwing spanners into Brexit since day one

I like being stupid, it gets me through the day :D

Their voting record does not really back this up.

Since the war something like 69 MPs have switched from one party to another, with only four triggering a by-election for their new party, plus one standing as an independent.

Pierre

22-02-2019 08:35

Re: 11 MPs leave their Parties to join The Independent Group

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Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35984034)

There should be By-Elections end of...

But Corbyn himself has stated that you vote for an MP not a Party or a Leader.

https://news.sky.com/story/labour-de...orbyn-11643512

Funny how he has changed his point of view.

denphone

22-02-2019 09:02

Re: 11 MPs leave their Parties to join The Independent Group

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Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 35984096)

But Corbyn himself has stated that you vote for an MP not a Party or a Leader.

https://news.sky.com/story/labour-de...orbyn-11643512

Funny how he has changed his point of view.

Its so typical of politicians as they contradict themselves by saying one thing and then further down the road they say exactly the opposite.

mrmistoffelees

22-02-2019 09:13

Re: 11 MPs leave their Parties to join The Independent Group

Ian Austin quits Labour....

UPDATE: Currently has no plans to join the independents

denphone

22-02-2019 09:19

Re: 11 MPs leave their Parties to join The Independent Group

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Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees (Post 35984100)

Ian Austin quits Labour....

You can rearrange the deck chairs on the Titanic but the end result is still the same...

Sephiroth

22-02-2019 09:32

Re: 11 MPs leave their Parties to join The Independent Group

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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 35984069)

The irony is if any of these folk had the courage of their convictions months ago we could have had 11 separate by-elections they could have treated as a proxy-Brexit referendum.

It’d have no legal standing of course but could have demonstrated a clear shift in public opinion if they stood on a single issue. If they all won convincingly it’d have some weight. If not however...

As the "If not however ….." phrase is the case, what preceded it had less value. The "If not" bit embraces a number of variables that muddy the waters somewhat:

1. Did any or all of them think they could change things within their party?
2. Obviously the 7 had reached their tipping point this week.
3. Did the next 4 jump on the bandwagon or would they have done it anyway?
4. Would a by-election be a proxy vote on Brexit or Anti-Semitism?

The more serious problems in the Labour Party are Anti-Semitism, IMO, and the shift towards bully-enforced Marxism.

The serious problems in the Conservative Party are Brexit and social justice.

The aggregation of these rifts in the UK's core political parties show clearly that Parliamentary politics is broken. The question of by-elections as a proxy-referendum is moot, IMO.

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