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Where will the money to build and run the prisons come from? More taxes or more borrowing?

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The overseas aid budget, mate. :sleeping:

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You are selectively picking on one trend of crime, overall crime has still fallen and London is not as safe as Manchester, especially given all the stabbings and shootings London has had this year, London over took New York earlier this year for the first time in history - that is bad.

I maintain that London has got worse under Sadiq Khan. He is under achieving.

https://www.quora.com/In-the-UK-how-...ared-to-London

The above link indicates Manchester is safer than London on the Peace Index.

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But does it matter? The answer is to toughen sentences and build more prisons, coupled with proper rehabilitation programmes within those prisons with appropriate measures to prevent drugs and mobile phones from being smuggled in.

Not really understanding why this is so difficult. These criminals are blighting society and need to be dealt with. They won't be, of course, because the bleeding heart liberals will stand in the way. Why are we still listening to them?

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I am talking about violent crime and murders. I don’t know what the ‘peace index’ is and besides it dates from before Khan become Mayor.

Also New York has since taken the leader over London again. It's why you should be careful taking small datasets.

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I'm not sure this is the most constructive of debates as we should be proud of our great British cities which are flourishing now after some areas went through periods of decline after WW2.

However, for the sake of helping us all move forwards on this debate, I found this graphic from Sun Online. It has used Home Office figures to show the areas where people are most at risk of offences such as robbery, burglary and sex crimes. The article is from June 2017 but the age of the data is not stated.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/385025...urglary-arson/

It puts Greater Manchester 3rd (78.4) and London 4th (75.6).
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/385025...urglary-arson/

In terms of Sadiq Kahn's impact, he's only been in power for a couple of years so there's an insufficient length of time to benchmark any impact negative or positive he may have made yet so people's views will be just that.

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WW2? You are scraping the barrel a bit there, Andrew, that was 73 years ago! Christ!

All we actually need is tougher sentences, no early releases, and rehabilitation programmes in our prisons. It's not that difficult. Hardly rocket science!

Most crimes are carried out by the same old offenders.

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It's interesting how you don't apply this same assessment of time when it comes to the current occupant of the White House....

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Lol, I'm just describing the revival of our cities. Re-read.

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Lol, it's Trump supporters who take credit for the booming economy when everyone else says you need ton wait a few years for a genuine comparison!

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I thought Trump wasn't relevant to this thread??

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Stop nitpicking Stephen, it doesn't become you. He isn't. Because the obvious thing is, this thread is about London.... :rolleyes:

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Who is nitpicking. You are always first to say he isn't relevant when someone else mentions his name.

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Geez stop arguing this is getting pathetic - you read too much in to things - he is not relevant to this discussion, it's obvious it isn't, I made a fleeting comment about him and you throw what I said earlier in the day to you. Smacks of desperation to me to try and trip me up, it won't work so pack it in.

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No one is arguing.

People are just posting evidence and you are choosing to ignore them and continue to claims it's all down to Khan, when one man cannot be responsible to the rise in violent crime.

Also nobody is desperate or trying to trip anyone up.

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No evidence has been posted that I see, where I am wrong and I am not saying anyone else is wrong by the same token - Crime has fallen in England and Wales except violent crime, but overall, all other crimes has fallen.

I would not feel safe in London compared to Manchester, I know because I live in Manchester. The moped gangs, acid attacks that have happened a lot in London - there has not been many of them in Manchester and I know that for fact because I have Manchester Evening News notifications.

We are not going to agree on Sadiq Khan - I think he is a crap Mayor, who is very responsible for policing priorities, there is obvious strong resentment against him allowing the Trump baby blimp, given the massive amount of money raised in short time for a Khan baby counter protest.