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pip08456 24-05-2017 02:07
Re: Manchester Arena Terror Attack: 22 Dead : 50+ Injured
 
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Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 35900158)
The concern is that compared to recent Radical Islamic attacks this was a sophisticated nail bomb. To construct one is tricky and to construct a stable one that goes off when you want it to is even trickier and takes some skill. Bowlacks! It is a bomb with a detonator triggered with the press of a button by the suicide bomber. A simple trigger device with either nails or other shrapnel packed around it. Nothing complicated. He himself wanted to watch the concert before triggering it (At a guess).

This begs three questions.

1. Did the bomber build the bomb? Well let's hope so, now he's dead.I doubt it
2. Was the bomb built o/s the UK and shipped in? - you would expect not.Assume ATM the builder is here in the UK.
3. Did someone else in the UK build the bomb and give it to the attacker? This is the worst option, this means there is a person with sophisticated bomb making skills in the UK, which would suggest and organised IS sympathetic cell in the UK. See above, I think that's obvious. The IRA did it for many years without outside help.
I hope the above comments help. A nail bomb is easy to build and if used by a suicide bomber is less complicated than one with a timer or remote trigger.

TheDaddy 24-05-2017 04:02
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Originally Posted by Ramrod (Post 35900151)
They should bury this bombers remains inside a pig at an undisclosed location and make it known that they have done so.

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2017 Has Seen a Terror Attack Attempted in Europe Every Nine Days
Why not just feed his remains to the pigs, I'm sure going through one must be worse than touching the little piggy in their eyes

Quote:
Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 35900158)
The concern is that compared to recent Radical Islamic attacks this was a sophisticated nail bomb. To construct one is tricky and to construct a stable one that goes off when you want it to is even trickier and takes some skill.

This begs three questions.

1. Did the bomber build the bomb? Well let's hope so, now he's dead.
2. Was the bomb built o/s the UK and shipped in? - you would expect not.
3. Did someone else in the UK build the bomb and give it to the attacker? This is the worst option, this means there is a person with sophisticated bomb making skills in the UK, which would suggest and organised IS sympathetic cell in the UK.
4 questions, are there any other devices he built or was given

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Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 35900172)
I hope the above comments help. A nail bomb is easy to build and if used by a suicide bomber is less complicated than one with a timer or remote trigger.
My God he wanted to watch the show :shocked:

Pierre 24-05-2017 08:00
Re: Manchester Arena Terror Attack: 22 Dead : 50+ Injured
 
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Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 35900172)
I hope the above comments help. A nail bomb is easy to build and if used by a suicide bomber is less complicated than one with a timer or remote trigger.
I was just repeating what an head of counter terrorism stated on the R4 breakfast program yesterday and other " experts"

I would expect him to have better grasp of these things than anybody on here.

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/world...heck-1.3093088

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/808...ecurity-expert

Damien 24-05-2017 09:34
Re: Manchester Arena Terror Attack: 22 Dead : 50+ Injured
 
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Originally Posted by RizzyKing (Post 35900167)
I doubt this coward built the device sadly i think this is part of something bigger and clearly no target is off limits to these bunch of cowardly turds. We know some terrorists came in with the flood of migrants that have settled in the UK and the numbers are just too large to be adequately surveiled hence why attackers are often known to the security services. Manchester's response to this has been beyond great they have demonstrated what differentiates us and the cowards who were responsible for this atrocity better then words could and my thoughts and condolences go to that great city and all those affected by this.
I wonder what 'known to the authorities' really means though? I imagine the security services have a sprawling network of people interconnected to each other and most of these are tangential to their actual persons of interest. If so then it means little other than the fact there exists, in some place, a file with their name on it.

Hugh 24-05-2017 09:44
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Alex Jones (of Infowars conspiracy site) really is a piece of ordure.

http://www.newsweek.com/infowars-ale...te-open-614177

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"And less than 24 hours after President Trump finishes that speech, a big bomb goes off at a pop star's rock concert bombing a bunch of liberal trendies," Jones said in a video posted to YouTube. "The same people, god love 'em, on average who are promoting open borders, bringing Islamists in."
Calling a bunch of kids who have just been blown up "liberal trendies" must be a new low, even for him...

I suppose next he'll be saying it's a "false flag" operation - what an arse.

Damien 24-05-2017 09:50
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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35900192)
Alex Jones (of Infowars conspiracy site) really is a piece of ordure.

http://www.newsweek.com/infowars-ale...te-open-614177


Calling a bunch of kids who have just been blown up "liberal trendies" must be a new low, even for him...

I suppose next he'll be saying it's a "false flag" operation - what an arse.
Living with so much anger and hate must take it's toll on people like him.

Osem 24-05-2017 11:27
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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35900194)
Living with so much anger and hate must take it's toll on people like him.
Sadly not, these people exist to spout bile and create fear, anger and hatred. That's the only means by which they can feel they matter. I dare say some don't care how awful they are if being so generates the publicity which pays the bills...

Sad, sad, people. They need to be ignored, not named and linked to IMHO.

Damien 24-05-2017 14:40
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The US media keeps revealing details of the on-going investigation despite the requests from the UK to knock it off.

ianch99 24-05-2017 14:49
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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35900194)
Living with so much anger and hate must take it's toll on people like him.
Didn't this guy claim that "he's playing a character" and described himself as a "performance artist"? I am guessing this is a way of trying deflect criticism ..

The guys is a loser but the problem is many people listen to his hateful fake news preaching.

Mick 24-05-2017 14:49
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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35900218)
The US media keeps revealing details of the on-going investigation despite the requests from the UK to knock it off.
New low for them. The New York Times posted a picture of the dead or injured victims, on the floor of the foyer of Manchester Arena, where the Bomb blast occurred, yesterday. UK media was doing same but blaring out the bodies.

Osem 24-05-2017 15:20
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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35900221)
New low for them. The New York Times posted a picture of the dead or injured victims, on the floor of the foyer of Manchester Arena, where the Bomb blast occurred, yesterday. UK media was doing same but blaring out the bodies.
Whilst some news coverage is necessary I must say I do find the level of scrutiny and intrusion excessive. Do we really need to so much coverage/images/footage of this terrible event? :shrug:

Gavin78 24-05-2017 16:56
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I'm sick to death of reading posts blaiming May for it all it's her fault the police are less than they once were or it's a political move on her part to raise the treat to critical level.

It's none of the above. perhaps if they knew of him they should have kept better tabs and the threat level increase is to protect the country not a political move it really ****** me off.

ianch99 24-05-2017 18:14
Re: Manchester Arena Terror Attack: 22 Dead : 50+ Injured
 
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Originally Posted by Gavin78 (Post 35900235)
I'm sick to death of reading posts blaiming May for it all it's her fault the police are less than they once were or it's a political move on her part to raise the treat to critical level.

It's none of the above. perhaps if they knew of him they should have kept better tabs and the threat level increase is to protect the country not a political move it really ****** me off.
Police workforce and funding in England and Wales

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The number of full-time-equivalent police officers in England and Wales fell by 14%, or almost 20,000 officers, between 2009 and 2016. This has undone the workforce expansion of the 2000s – there are now fewer police officers in England and Wales than there were in the late 1990s.
This reduction in police numbers since the Conservatives came to power does validate the question: have these headcount reductions impacted the Security Services and associated Police units ability to protect us ..

Damien 24-05-2017 18:14
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The killer has been reported to the police twice by two people: https://twitter.com/FrankRGardner/st...06559508398080

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BBC learns that 2 people reported the #manchesterattack bomber supporting terrorism and suicide attacks 5 years ago and again this year.

RizzyKing 24-05-2017 18:52
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We could have millions of police and security service personnel and things like this would still happen it just isn't possible to maintain 24\7 surveillance of all the flagged people. We cannot prevent cowards doing these things and have the society we have so unless people want a change in the type of society to make this less likely and make things easier for the security services but then that would be doing exactly what these lowlife cowards want.

The city and people of Manchester have done the best thing that can be done in response to attacks like this with how they have responded showing the type of society we have they are a symbol of why cowards won't win.


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