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RichardCoulter

25-11-2016 21:12

Re: Migrant found GUILTY of Raping boy 5, given Rehabilitation Order

In the past few days it appears that there has been widespread abuse of young footballers, with more and more coming out each day:

https://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/s...3#post35871733

I don't think that the perpetrators should be executed though.

One of my main reasons is because those carrying out paedophiliac activities will be more afraid than ever of being caught.

If they fear being executed upon discovery, so what's the best way to silence a child for good?

I fear that it will lead to paedophile activity and then lead onto murder and an abused child has some hope of recovering, but a dead child has no hope at all.

mrmistoffelees

25-11-2016 21:17

Re: Migrant found GUILTY of Raping boy 5, given Rehabilitation Order

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Originally Posted by OhReally (Post 35870987)

Thank you for sharing your story, it must have been hard to write.

Back to the migrant kiddie rapist...

Do an adult crime then serve the adult punishment. Does anyone here believe that if it had anyone other than a migrant it wouldn't have been immediate jail time?

Never mind as some have said, lock up then deport. Why pay tens of thousands to keep them in custody? Round up the entire family and down to Heathrow direct from the court.

Death penalty absolutely DOES have a place in society. It's not about it being a deterrent, it's about punishing the guilty and protecting society by ensuring they can't do it again.

If it deters that's a bonus.

So you would be happy if someone was put to death and later found to be innocent.

Unless you can prove 100% in all instances that someone is guilty then it has no place in our society.

http://www.sciencemag.org/news/2016/...nares-innocent

The death penalty has no place in a civilised society

Paul	25-11-2016 21:56

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Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees (Post 35871741)

The death penalty has no place in a civilised society

In your opinion. One not shared by everyone.

Mr K	25-11-2016 22:07

Re: Migrant found GUILTY of Raping boy 5, given Rehabilitation Order

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Originally Posted by Paul M (Post 35871748)

In your opinion. One not shared by everyone.

When does everyone share the same opinion ?

The crime is appalling and the rehabilitation order a nonsense, but people seem to see the word 'migrant' and that makes in 10 times worse in their eyes somehow (if that's possible).

Guilty or innocent the death penalty has never solved anything; very little evidence it serves as a deterrent in those countries that have it.

TheDaddy

25-11-2016 22:10

Re: Migrant found GUILTY of Raping boy 5, given Rehabilitation Order

Quote:

Originally Posted by OhReally (Post 35870987)

Thank you for sharing your story, it must have been hard to write.

Back to the migrant kiddie rapist...

Do an adult crime then serve the adult punishment. Does anyone here believe that if it had anyone other than a migrant it wouldn't have been immediate jail time?

Never mind as some have said, lock up then deport. Why pay tens of thousands to keep them in custody? Round up the entire family and down to Heathrow direct from the court.

Death penalty absolutely DOES have a place in society. It's not about it being a deterrent, it's about punishing the guilty and protecting society by ensuring they can't do it again.

If it deters that's a bonus.

It doesn't deter, years ago we used to hang children for stealing food, it didn't deter them as they didn't think they'd get caught or because they thought the crime was worth the risk.

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Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees (Post 35871741)

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Originally Posted by Paul M (Post 35871748)

In your opinion. One not shared by everyone.

It makes me question if those people don't want to live in a civilised society, to me the very definition of a civilised society is that you aren't put to death if innocent, I'm sure a pardon and an apology is of great comfort to those wrongly killed in the past. You only have to look at America where over 100 people on death row have been exonerated since dna testing became common or how many times more likely you are to be given a death sentence if you're poor or black than if you're white or rich.

Paul	25-11-2016 22:15

Re: Migrant found GUILTY of Raping boy 5, given Rehabilitation Order

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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35871752)

Guilty or innocent the death penalty has never solved anything; very little evidence it serves as a deterrent in those countries that have it.

It deters the person responsible from ever doing it again.
It will also deter some others (a lot more than than the thought of prison) which is good enough, nothing will deter some people of course.

Hugh	25-11-2016 22:15

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Originally Posted by Paul M (Post 35871759)

It deters the person responsible from ever doing it again.

Especially the ones who didn't do it in the first place....

RizzyKing

25-11-2016 22:17

Re: Migrant found GUILTY of Raping boy 5, given Rehabilitation Order

I don't care if it's a migrant, black, chinese, asian or white a 15 year old doing what they did gets a custodial sentence not a waste of time rehabilitation order, if the migrant thing does anything it helps fuel the knuckle draggers. That said there seems to be an attitude endemic to certain cultures about unacceptable sexual behaviour that they don't change when they come to western countries.

mrmistoffelees

25-11-2016 22:21

Re: Migrant found GUILTY of Raping boy 5, given Rehabilitation Order

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35871761)

Especially the ones who didn't do it in the first place....

Nail meet head

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Originally Posted by Paul M (Post 35871759)

It deters the person responsible from ever doing it again.
It will also deter some others (a lot more than than the thought of prison) which is good enough, nothing will deter some people of course.

A very quick google of numerous studies suggest you're wrong

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Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 35871753)

It doesn't deter, years ago we used to hang children for stealing food, it didn't deter them as they didn't think they'd get caught or because they thought the crime was worth the risk.

It makes me question if those people don't want to live in a civilised society, to me the very definition of a civilised society is that you aren't put to death if innocent, I'm sure a pardon and an apology is of great comfort to those wrongly killed in the past. You only have to look at America where over 100 people on death row have been exonerated since dna testing became common or how many times more likely you are to be given a death sentence if you're poor or black than if you're white or rich.

'The degree of civilization in a society can be judged by entering its prisons.'

Paul	25-11-2016 22:22

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35871761)

Especially the ones who didn't do it in the first place....

:zzz:

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Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees (Post 35871764)

A very quick google of numerous studies suggest you're wrong

I suggest I'm not. Studies can (and are) used to suggest anything people want.

mrmistoffelees

25-11-2016 22:23

Re: Migrant found GUILTY of Raping boy 5, given Rehabilitation Order

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Originally Posted by Paul M (Post 35871768)

:zzz:

Stunning comeback......

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Originally Posted by Paul M (Post 35871768)

:zzz:

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I suggest I'm not.

You're wrong

Paul	25-11-2016 22:24

Re: Migrant found GUILTY of Raping boy 5, given Rehabilitation Order

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Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees (Post 35871770)

You're wrong

Again, your opinion, nothing more. Your equally wrong (IMO).

Mr K	25-11-2016 22:28

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Originally Posted by Paul M (Post 35871772)

. Your equally wrong (IMO).

You're grammatically wrong.

Hugh	25-11-2016 22:30

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Originally Posted by Paul M (Post 35871772)

Again, your opinion, nothing more. Your equally wrong (IMO).

i have to disagree.

Your opinion is based on anecdote, academic studies are based on peer-reviewed evidence and findings.

One approach follows the scientific method, the other is just surmising...

Paul	25-11-2016 22:40

Re: Migrant found GUILTY of Raping boy 5, given Rehabilitation Order

You are free to disagree, but you wont change my opinion.

To suggest that it would not deter anyone is just plain nonsense.

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