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Global warming during the 1990s was caused by sunspot activity, which raised the amount of solar energy received. The more recent spike was caused by El Nino and the temperature has declined again since then.

Also, we need to be skeptical of land based readings because they are not evenly spread and are skewed by increased developments in areas that were formerly countryside. Satellite readings are far more accurate and they are truly global. They show little change in global temperature, which is why the greenies prefer to ignore it.

It is also the case that the readings quoted by the greenies have been manipulated (sorry, 'adjusted') for various 'technical reasons' to help manufacture the case for a global warming scare.

This must count as the biggest folly ever, and it is at our considerable expense. Shame on the politicians who just blindly follow this mantra without properly having the claims the climate warriors make properly checked out.

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Why do I think the risk from global warming is being exaggerated? For four principal reasons.

1. All environmental predictions of doom always are;
2. the models have been consistently wrong for more than 30 years;
3. the best evidence indicates that climate sensitivity is relatively low;
4. the climate science establishment has a vested interest in alarm.

Yes, Ramrod, but don't forget the most obvious fact of all.

The amount of carbon in the atmosphere varies between 0.03% and 0.05%. It currently stands at 0.04%.

Which rather indicates that if even if global warming is happening, it's not the result of the amount of carbon we are putting out there. The excess is being absorbed by the vegetation and the oceans.

It's about time the powers that be started asking some sensible questions of these so called climate experts.

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Like why is the Arctic ice all but disappearing ? And why do you keep trying to harm my share portfolio and chances of re-election ?

A lot of people have the head in the sand and spout 'facts' supplied from those with vested short term interests. The Sunspots etc, have being going on forever but the world is warming, much faster than ever before, that is a fact. If anybody think humans haven't influenced this they are deluded. Only when the water is coming through their doors will they think it affects them. Even then it'll somehow be the fault of EU, Brexit, Corbyn or too many immigrants weighing the land down...

Have a nice stormy Christmas; fortunately I live on high ground...

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but not quite the moral high ground ;)

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It's happened before:

Source

Link for Danish teams paper

Link for Swedish teams paper

Re: Climate Change - record World temp. rises in Feb.
 

No, I've already explained why human activity is unlikely to be the cause, and I've also pointed out that satellite temperature readings do not verify the claims of the dodgy sensationalists.

Even if it was happening, why are you so convinced that we are the cause? Did anyone blame the mini ice age in the 1600s on man? Warming was going on at the end of the ice age and the pollution from the industrial revolution period (which was smoke rather than clear carbon) could have prevented a quicker recovery as the sun was blotted out more. Now, with clearer air, the recovery could be continuing now. What is more, it has been warmer than it is now in the past (well before the mini ice age).

But that could explain the warming trend if it existed.

As far as the melting ice caps are concerned, you forget (or maybe never knew) that Greenland was free of ice centuries ago (hence its name). The reason the ice caps are melting appears to be the result of changing ocean currents, which have led to warmer waters undermining the ice from the bottom.

This is an extremely complex subject, and for people to explain it all rashly by saying it's all our fault are not paying attention, or alternatively, they are making a lot of money out of it.

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Yes, that is why all those rich scientists are trying to keep down the impoverished Oil companies.... ;)

When 97% of doctors say there is a problem, we believe them.
When 97% of engineers say there is a problem, we believe them.
When 97% of Climate Scientists, who have spent their lives studying this very complex issue, say there is a problem, suddenly they are in it for the money... :erm:

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Which is why the government and others listen to scientists who study it rather than writers who've read a bit a bit about it.

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Unless it's MMR. Then people knew better than the 'so-called' doctors.

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You do know, don't you, that there is nowhere near those levels of unanimity amongst scientists. Many disagree but are afraid to speak out.

A meteorologist friend of mine questioned the global warming argument at his work some years ago, pointing out that there were other factors involved. He was warned off pursuing those arguments by a like minded senior professional who told him that if he valued his career he should stop arguing against it because there was a bandwagon going that could not be stopped, regardless of the facts.

I have also read of the threats and name calling that people who should know better have used against people who have challenged the global warming theory. Behaviour, I think, that smacks of the bully not having any answers to those challenging his aggression.

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This is the same argument creationists use against evolution. That actually many evolutionary scientists question evolution but they can't speak out because they'll lose their careers. We can't really base our assumptions on unproven, 2nd hand, allegations though.

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There is amongst Climate Scientists.

I may take into consideration what an Automotive Engineer says about buildings, but I'm more likely to give credence to a Structural or a Civil Engineer.

http://climatology.co.uk/climatology...y#.WFmCCIDfWfA

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You seem to be (intentionally) missing the point - the 1st two groups don't depend on scaremongering for their incomes.

The latter group ONLY get funded if people believe their demonstrably false (over 20+ years now) "climate models".

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Proven "demonstrably false" by people funded by energy companies, so totally unbiased, then?

They get funded to produce peer-reviewed papers and findings, not to back up others - it's how the scientific method works...

You may as well accuse the CERN scientists of only pursuing their research to earn money - if they wanted to earn good money, they would work for Big Oil...

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No, demonstrably false as in

1. Look at their predictions
2. Look at what actually happened

That was easy wasn't it.

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Yes, well it's the climate scientists who have vested interests that depend on the man made warming theory for their livelihoods and/or profits.

Did you miss the bit where I talked about the amount of carbon that has been absorbed into the atmosphere? It's exactly where it should bs. So we are responsible...how? :shrug:

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Climate Change Denier Conference

https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/local/2016/12/4.jpg