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Damien 03-01-2015 00:00
Re: Unstoppable migration?
 
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Originally Posted by Sirius (Post 35749961)
Its not beyond the realms of possibility that the traffickers knew that if they could get the ship close to Italy it would be towed there when discovered. The traffickers are however only worried about the money they made when they were paid by those on the ship.
Certainly. No one would disagree with that.

Mr Angry 03-01-2015 09:36
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Originally Posted by Sirius (Post 35749946)
I have made myself clear in my last post, if you want to keep digging at it that's fine you go ahead and have your satisfaction see if i care.
Just trying to help.

nomadking 03-01-2015 10:16
Re: Unstoppable migration?
 
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Originally Posted by Sirius (Post 35749948)
They can get a bus or train to France far easier from Italy :)
I remember an episode of Rough Guide(a long while back), where the Italians where shown putting Albanian illegal immigrants on trains to France.

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35749947)
Because Sierra Leone is about 4000 Nautical Miles away, and on the other side of Africa?
But it left Turkey which is a lot nearer.
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‘We know that it left from a Turkish port and was abandoned by its crew,’ coastguard spokesman Filippo Marini said. ‘When we hailed the ship to ask about its status, a migrant woman responded, saying, “We are alone and we have no one to help us

Hugh 03-01-2015 10:23
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Then it should be towed back to Turkey, not Sierra Leone....

Osem 03-01-2015 12:26
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Europe's ethical dilemma over migrants
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-30660777

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Europe is caught in a terrible ethical dilemma.

It does not want to encourage migrants, but it doesn't want to let them die.

European governments. it seems, are damned if they intervene, and damned if they don't.
It's an impossible situation. By not intercepting more boats they're effectively letting people die but by 'encouraging' trafficking people are dying and being cynically abused. On top of all of that at, countless thousands of people (those who have no means to escape their problems) are being left to die and suffer in their home countries around the globe every day of every year. The unpalatable reality is that we can't help/save them all so maybe saving a tiny proportion in this manner allows us to feel a bit better about a problem we don't spend much of our time doing anything about. Let's be honest, there's no big appetite here or anywhere else for spending more on humanitarian aid so where does that leave us?

nomadking 03-01-2015 12:47
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There ARE able to escape their problems. The place they are in before they leave for Europe is a safe one, and therefore at that point they have escaped their problems.

Hugh 03-01-2015 13:20
Re: Unstoppable migration?
 
So there are jobs for the two million refugees in Turkey?

martyh 03-01-2015 13:22
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Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 35750023)
There ARE able to escape their problems. The place they are in before they leave for Europe is a safe one, and therefore at that point they have escaped their problems.
statements like this show the level of misunderstanding of the problem

nomadking 03-01-2015 13:50
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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35750030)
So there are jobs for the two million refugees in Turkey?
And there are 2m jobs here or in Italy or anywhere else?

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Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35750031)
statements like this show the level of misunderstanding of the problem
Their problem is meant to be that they are under attack. Are they under attack in France, Italy, Turkey, etc? When they get on a plane at an airport, is the airport being attacked? An airport is heaving with government officials, so it would be difficult to use, if it was the government you were scared of.

martyh 03-01-2015 14:36
Re: Unstoppable migration?
 
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Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 35750037)
And there are 2m jobs here or in Italy or anywhere else?

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Their problem is meant to be that they are under attack. Are they under attack in France, Italy, Turkey, etc? When they get on a plane at an airport, is the airport being attacked? An airport is heaving with government officials, so it would be difficult to use, if it was the government you were scared of.
Basically what you want is for refugees to remain in the country they first arrive in which is a riddiculous idea ,all that happens then is only one or two countries end up bearing the burden ,countries like Greece,Italy and Turkey.The refugees towed to Italy where from Syria so where do you propose they go to ? Israel ? Egypt? perhaps Iraq ?

nomadking 03-01-2015 14:59
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Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35750043)
Basically what you want is for refugees to remain in the country they first arrive in which is a riddiculous idea ,all that happens then is only one or two countries end up bearing the burden ,countries like Greece,Italy and Turkey.The refugees towed to Italy where from Syria so where do you propose they go to ? Israel ? Egypt? perhaps Iraq ?
How about Jordan, Turkey, Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Lebanon, Iraq, Iran etc.

martyh 03-01-2015 15:18
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Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 35750049)
How about Jordan, Turkey, Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Lebanon, Iraq, Iran etc.
well they could leave a country embroiled in civil war and move to a country where conditions aren't much better and the sudden arrival of 2 million refugees could destabalise the countries you mentioned leading to further problems .The reason those Syrian refugees are trying to get to countries like Italy and Greece and ultimately further north into Europe is because Turkey cannot take anymore and are starting to turn back refugees at the border ,even firing upon them to stop them entering the country ,the other countries (perhaps with the exception of Saudi Arabia) all have their own internal problems that would be greatly exacerbated by the sudden arrival of 1000's of reefugees.

Taf 03-01-2015 16:36
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The sudden arrival of 1000's of refugees would have a similar effect here too.

TheDaddy 03-01-2015 19:57
Re: Unstoppable migration?
 
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Originally Posted by Taf (Post 35750059)
The sudden arrival of 1000's of refugees would have a similar effect here too.
And of course once they're here they won't be going back once the situation is resolved as seen with the kosovans that are still here despite assurances that they'd be gone once hostilities ceased.

Sirius 03-01-2015 21:19
Re: Unstoppable migration?
 
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Originally Posted by Taf (Post 35750059)
The sudden arrival of 1000's of refugees would have a similar effect here too.
Indeed but because we have no control over our boarders we cannot stop them from entering even if we tried.


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